Interesting bill hearing in Jeff City

[Pancho and Lefty]

It has been discussed and argued many times on this board, and opinions are all over the place, but read this this am.

https://house.mo.gov/Bill.aspx?bill=HB1273&year=2025&code=R

 

[sw5890]

For anyone that doesn't care to dig through it here is the summary:

This bill prevents public schools in Missouri from being a member of or providing dues to any statewide activities association that allows post-season or tournament-style athletic competition between public and private schools.

So basically it seems like a back door way of forcing MSHSAA to create a new division for private schools.

 

[BearsCountry]

What big bad private school beats Lebanon who the representative is from?

 

[J. Kane]

but usually its

 

[MIZ...ZOU]

What big bad private school beats Lebanon who the representative is from?

My guess is Helias but also maybe Vianney or CR over the years?

It's also possible the guy just doesn't agree with HS all-star teams playing public schools?

Texas is pretty much the "Mecca" of HS football. They have this stuff down to a science. If they split theirs up I think it would be a good idea to look into it. Maybe we could also adopt their playoff and scheduling format while we are at it?

 

[tigershs]

What big bad private school beats Lebanon who the representative is from?

Well it's definitely not Camdenton! lol Lebanon owns them. 7 wins in the last 10 years.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Well it's definitely not Camdenton! lol Lebanon owns them. 7 wins in the last 10 years.

Honest question: What's the best finish in lebanon football history? Made it to state? Semis?

 

[J. Kane]

Well it's definitely not Camdenton! lol Lebanon owns them. 7 wins in the last 10 years.

 

[fordpinto]

Well it's definitely not Camdenton! lol Lebanon owns them. 7 wins in the last 10 years.

Flexbone vs Air raid. Gotta love it.

 

[The Last Black Man In Missouri]

Well it's definitely not Camdenton! lol Lebanon owns them. 7 wins in the last 10 years.

 

[7trips5rings]

Honest question: What's the best finish in lebanon football history? Made it to state? Semis?

I believe they have made it to the quarterfinals 4-5 times. No semi-final or state appearances.

 

[J. Kane]

 

[Treadmill]

For anyone that doesn't care to dig through it here is the summary:



So basically it seems like a back door way of forcing MSHSAA to create a new division for private schools.

No objection here.

 

[trumanbulldog42]

 

[thetophat2021]

Well it's definitely not Camdenton! lol Lebanon owns them. 7 wins in the last 10 years.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

No objection here.

problem is all the jeff city politicians send their kids to private schools.

 

[J. Kane]

 

[7trips5rings]

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Well it's definitely not Camdenton! lol Lebanon owns them. 7 wins in the last 10 years

Well it's definitely not Camdenton! lol Lebanon owns them. 7 wins in the last 10 years.

Still not up to Camdenton standards but in the last 10 meetings, the record is 5-5:

If you go from 2023-2013 (10 years), Camdenton is overall 7-6 against lebanon. Camdenton & lebanon did not play in 2024.

Camdenton wins in years: 2022 (first meeting), 2019 (2 times), 2018, 2017, 2014, and 2013.
lebanon wins in years: 2023, 2022 (2nd meeting), 2021, 2020, 2016, 2015.

 

[trumanbulldog42]

problem is all the jeff city politicians send their kids to private schools.

Rightfully so, tbh...

 

[trumanbulldog42]

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Still not up to Camdenton standards but in the last 10 meetings, the record is 5-5:

If you go from 2023-2013 (10 years), Camdenton is overall 7-6 against lebanon. Camdenton & lebanon did not play in 2024.

Camdenton wins in years: 2022 (first meeting), 2019 (2 times), 2018, 2017, 2014, and 2013.
lebanon wins in 2023, 2022 (2nd meeting), 2021, 2020, 2016, 2015.

Stop that! People hate it when you bring facts into the arguments around here!!

 

[J. Kane]

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Still not up to Camdenton standards but in the last 10 meetings, the record is 5-5:

If you go from 2023-2013 (10 years), Camdenton is overall 7-6 against lebanon. Camdenton & lebanon did not play in 2024.

Camdenton wins in years: 2022 (first meeting), 2019 (2 times), 2018, 2017, 2014, and 2013.
lebanon wins in 2023, 2022 (2nd meeting), 2021, 2020, 2016, 2015.

So Camdenton is 5-7 vs Lebanon over the last 10 years. Lebanon seems better but not dominant .

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Rightfully so, tbh...

ya if you're gonna underfund public schools...no way will they send their kids there!

 

[J. Kane]

ya if you're gonna underfund public schools...no way will they send their kids there!

 

[trumanbulldog42]

ya if you're gonna underfund public schools...no way will they send their kids there!

There are plenty of good public schools. Just not great choices there

 

[7trips5rings]

So Camdenton is 5-7 vs Lebanon over the last 10 years. Lebanon seems better but not dominant .

2014-2024 the record would be 6-6...unless I am missing something.
Camdenton wins: 2022 (1st game), 2019 (2 times), 2018, 2017, 2014
lebanon wins: 2023, 2022 (district game), 2021, 2020, 2016, 2015

 

[The Last Black Man In Missouri]

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Still not up to Camdenton standards but in the last 10 meetings, the record is 5-5:

If you go from 2023-2013 (10 years), Camdenton is overall 7-6 against lebanon. Camdenton & lebanon did not play in 2024.

Camdenton wins in years: 2022 (first meeting), 2019 (2 times), 2018, 2017, 2014, and 2013.
lebanon wins in years: 2023, 2022 (2nd meeting), 2021, 2020, 2016, 2015.

How many of those Camdenton teams were Shore led?

 

[7trips5rings]

How many of those Camdenton teams were Shore led?

Bob Shore retired after the 2010 season.
Jeff Shore retired after the 2022 season.
Par Pitts took over in 2023.

 

[tigershs]

I will type slowly for you.

Last 10 seasons
15-16 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
16-17 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
17-18 Lebanon 0 Camdenton 1
18-19 Lebanon0 Camdenton 1
19-20 Lebanon0 Camdenton 2
20-21 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
21-22 Lebanon 2 Camdenton 0
22-23 Lebanon 1 Candenton 1
23-24 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
24-25 Lebanon 0 Camdenton 0

Total Lebanon 7 Cammy 5

If you would like we could just look at the last 5 seasons.

Lebanon 5 Cammy 1

 

[7trips5rings]

I will type slowly for you.

Last 10 seasons
15-16 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
16-17 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
17-18 Lebanon 0 Camdenton 1
18-19 Lebanon0 Camdenton 1
19-20 Lebanon0 Camdenton 2
20-21 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
21-22 Lebanon 2 Camdenton 0
22-23 Lebanon 1 Candenton 1
23-24 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
24-25 Lebanon 0 Camdenton 0

Total Lebanon 7 Cammy 5

If you wold like we could just look at the last 5 seasons.

Lebanon 5 Cammy 1

Completely forgot the 2 games in 2021. I will edit.

 

[7trips5rings]

I will type slowly for you.

Last 10 seasons
15-16 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
16-17 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
17-18 Lebanon 0 Camdenton 1
18-19 Lebanon0 Camdenton 1
19-20 Lebanon0 Camdenton 2
20-21 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
21-22 Lebanon 2 Camdenton 0
22-23 Lebanon 1 Candenton 1
23-24 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
24-25 Lebanon 0 Camdenton 0

Total Lebanon 7 Cammy 5

If you would like we could just look at the last 5 seasons.

Lebanon 5 Cammy 1

Has Camdenton had the chance to play your school over the years?

 

[J. Kane]

I will type slowly for you.

Last 10 seasons
15-16 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
16-17 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
17-18 Lebanon 0 Camdenton 1
18-19 Lebanon0 Camdenton 1
19-20 Lebanon0 Camdenton 2
20-21 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
21-22 Lebanon 2 Camdenton 0
22-23 Lebanon 1 Candenton 1
23-24 Lebanon 1 Camdenton 0
24-25 Lebanon 0 Camdenton 0

Total Lebanon 7 Cammy 5

If you would like we could just look at the last 5 seasons.

Lebanon 5 Cammy 1

 

[7trips5rings]

Got me. I can admit when I'm wrong.

 

[tigershs]

Has Camdenton had the chance to play your school over the years?

Nah, we actually do something in the playoffs so maybe one day if you all can get your act together we can find out.

 

[BearsCountry]

Camdenton against the COC:
Carthage 1-0
Glendale 25-7
Joplin 12-4
Kickapoo 16-10
Lebanon 33-19
Nixa 1-4
Ozark 4-3
Republic 7-2
Waynesville 44-11-2
Webb City 4-9
Willard 5-0

 

[7trips5rings]

Nah, we actually do something in the playoffs so maybe one day if you all can get your act together we can find out.

Interesting. Camdenton is 40-23-1 in the playoffs with 7 state championship apperances. 5 state championships. 3 semis. 12 quarterfinals. 28 district championships. I would think that matches up pretty well against anyone in the state of Missouri.

 

[7trips5rings]

Camdenton against the COC:
Carthage 1-0
Glendale 25-7
Joplin 12-4
Kickapoo 16-10
Lebanon 33-19
Nixa 1-4
Ozark 4-3
Republic 7-2
Waynesville 44-11-2
Webb City 4-9
Willard 5-0

And 2-0 against Neosho.

 

[The Last Black Man In Missouri]

Bob Shore retired after the 2010 season.
Jeff Shore retired after the 2022 season.
Par Pitts took over in 2023.

Thank you Sir!

 

[AC100]

If the bill is just now in a House committee it is basically dead. There is less than a month left in session.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

If the bill is just now in a House committee it is basically dead. There is less than a month left in session.

GOP won't do anything to make things rough on private schools.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

GOP won't do anything to make things rough on private schools.

If you listened to the committee hearing, there was about 85% support for splitting them. One after another talking about an uneven set of rules. Could see this potentially being added to another bill that will pass. Could really make HB711 interesting if it were added on.