In a blow for Justice Sheriff Joe gets Pardoned
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With a pardon from Trump, Arpaio remains above the law
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pardon-trump-arpaio-remains-law-133406132.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pardon-trump-arpaio-remains-law-133406132.html
What? This is the exact opposite of what he did. He did NOT enforce the law. He did whatever he wanted. He flouted the law.
When you read about the things he actually did, man, he's a bad person who does not respect the basic dignity of human beings. Arpaio was a wicked person and the world is better for him being out of power. One can be a strong enforcer of the law and also respect human beings. The list of things his force did is absolutely shocking to anyone with a brain.
This is a bad pardon.
This guy's a genius. He persuaded the inmates in his jail to "volunteer" for chain gang duty as an alternative to living in tents in the desert.
Arpaio set up a "Tent City" in 1993 as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail On July 2, 2011, when the temperature in Phoenix hit 118 °F (48 °C), Arpaio measured the temperature inside Tent City tents at 145 °F (63 °C). Some inmates complained that fans near their beds were not working and that their shoes were melting from the heat
In 1995, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs. In 1996, he expanded the chain gang concept by instituting female volunteer chain gangs.Female inmates worked seven hours a day (7 a.m. to 2 p.m.), six days a week. He also instituted the world's first all-juvenile volunteer chain gang; volunteers earned high school credit toward a diploma.
Prison isn't supposed to be a vacation resort.
Joe Arpaio is a White Guy, or a reasonable facsimile thereof. That makes him a Nazi, period.
The Sheriff doesn't "pull anyone over" without probable cause. He was detaining Illegals after they became involved with the Sheriff's Department during traffic accidents, were pulled over for drunk driving, or were arrested for disorderly conduct. If judges were infallible, every Supreme Court ruling would be 9-0 because the judges would have the infallible judgment that always led them to the same unanimous conclusions.
Most of the people Obama pardoned were drug Kingpins who manufactured 50 kilos of heroin and were sentenced to life imprisonment after selling it to school children.
It's nice to have a president who pardons law ENFORCERS instead of law breakers.
Arpaoio was picking up Illegals who were guilty of offenses such as driving without license plates. The same sort of thing that identified McVeigh as being suspicious enough to warrant holding him in jail until he could be investigated.
We don't allow American citizens to drive without license plates, so why should we allow Illegal Mexicans to get away with it?
A little perspective here:
1. If you were in Sheriff Arpaoio's jail it was because:
A) You committed a crime.
B) You didn't have any documentation showing who you were.
C) All of the above.
2. You should have been deported if you met condition C). Now you will be.
Arpaoio was NOT convicted by a Constitutionally-mandated trial by jury. He was "convicted" by a lunatic judge. The Federal Judge who issued the order to open the border to illegal immigration and "convict" Arpaoi for defying the order should be held in Contempt of the Constitution, impeached, and then dismissed from their positions.
If any Conservatives have doubts about Trump, at least be glad he is there to rein in obnoxious federal judges, and to replace them with more even-handed ones when they retire.
You mouth some of my posts and you post this total crap? You are a laughing stock. Your family must be embarrassed.
"Most of the people Obama pardoned were drug Kingpins who manufactured 50 kilos of heroin and were sentenced to life imprisonment after selling it to school children."
"Most of the people Obama pardoned were drug Kingpins who manufactured 50 kilos of heroin and were sentenced to life imprisonment after selling it to school children."
THIS!
Sheriff Joe is the one guy who enforced border laws and treated inmates like inmates rather than sensitive, misunderstood victims. If you can't do the time........
OK, i'll bite. What are these great violations of human rights Arapaio did to the "customers" of his establishment? You surely aren't going to cite pink clothing and balogna sandwiches.
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2012/07/18/mcso_complaint_5-10-12.pdf
The man was a zealot obsessed with profiling brown people to the detriment of actual policing and acceptable management of corrections.
https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/08/wait-do-people-actually-know-just-how-evil-this-man-is
That sort of thing.
Arpaio is a wicked man.
Arpaio is a perfect example of trump the president. This guy says nice things about me so I'll go out of my way to grant them a pardon.
The Presidency is a transactional role for Trump. Joe likes him and endorsed him so we will ignore the rule of law for him. It's just like him trying to make the Flynn investigation go away because he is his friend.
He is unable to control his emotions. The trump presidency is, first and foremost, a vehicle for the protection and support of DJT and his friends.
The Presidency is a transactional role for Trump. Joe likes him and endorsed him so we will ignore the rule of law for him. It's just like him trying to make the Flynn investigation go away because he is his friend.
He is unable to control his emotions. The trump presidency is, first and foremost, a vehicle for the protection and support of DJT and his friends.
Even though these are opinion pieces, I have no problem if they are correct.
If you come here illegally, you have NO rights.
If you come here illegally, you have NO rights.
Nice dog whistle to make people hate white sheriffs, racist.
You're killing me smalls. Turn around the quack cap before it's too late. "Brevity is the soul of wit!" You're the opposite of this.
That's not remotely true. You do not have the full rights of a citizen but you have plenty of rights. Items like the equal protection clause are consistently applied to anyone in the US.
And lots of the people they victimized were citizens. They were indiscriminate in their actions. The biggest criticisms of the DoJ related to treatment of latinos regardless of immigration status. He turned the sheriff's office into a harassment force against brown people of all immigration statuses and in many cases whether or not people had committed actual crimes.
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The judge who convicted him of "contempt" believes he disobeyed a court order. Maybe so, maybe not. At any rate, it should have gone to a jury trial. If a jury had heard the evidence and convicted him, I would agree but the facts today say you're wrong lawyer boy.
She wasn't pardoned. Her sentence was commuted. I disagreed with the decision. I thought it set a bad precedent for what is an extremely serious violation of national security.
Arpaio was pardoned because trump likes him. It's not a policy statement. It's DJT looking after his people.
Marc Rich is a better example of personal patronage. And that was roundly criticized.
Spare me this. He was guilty as sin of violating the DoJ order.
If someone wants to mandate federal jury trials for petty crime, fine. But that's not why he was pardoned and there is ample evidence of his guilt.
Realistically the average federal bench trial renders a more just verdict on a technical legal matter like contempt of court than a trial by jury probably does.
Sometimes people criticize bad actions of their side. Arpaio is a bad actor and the pardon is a bad precedent.
Trump trying to get the DoJ to stop prosecuting him is easily as bad as the pardon. Presidents should not get to select who is and who is not prosecuted on a whim.
We're now getting into the period of "Deep War." Trump's critics have failed to impeach him, or break his morale by slandering him as a "racist." This pardon of Arapaoi is Trump's double-down in the war. The war aims are to:
1. Defeat, or at least roll back, the more extreme "Social Justice Warrior" agendas on the left. Racial equality is fine. Blaming White people for every problem is not. Nondiscrimination against LBGTQ?s is a necessary law. Putting male perverts in the ladies' room isn't.
2. Moderate the Republican RINO Establishment. The Republican Establishment is owned by multinational corporations who want their billionaires to become trillionaires by selling what is left of the USA to China.
Both groups need to be shelved. It will take a deep war, lasting at least another 7.5 years to accomplish that. The 2018 elections will be another battle. Hopefully, the Democrats and RINO's will take a beating, and progress will continue on without them around to throw sand in the gears.
1. Defeat, or at least roll back, the more extreme "Social Justice Warrior" agendas on the left. Racial equality is fine. Blaming White people for every problem is not. Nondiscrimination against LBGTQ?s is a necessary law. Putting male perverts in the ladies' room isn't.
2. Moderate the Republican RINO Establishment. The Republican Establishment is owned by multinational corporations who want their billionaires to become trillionaires by selling what is left of the USA to China.
Both groups need to be shelved. It will take a deep war, lasting at least another 7.5 years to accomplish that. The 2018 elections will be another battle. Hopefully, the Democrats and RINO's will take a beating, and progress will continue on without them around to throw sand in the gears.
This is kookoo stuff. This is a simple case. He refused to stop violating people's civil rights under the threat of criminal prosecution. So they prosecuted him.
Go try to disobey a federal judge's lawfully issued order and see how well that works for you.
It would be one thing if the DoJ position were crazy overreach. There is a load of evidence that it is not.
And even if you believe that it is the process by which the President interfered is outside the normal bounds of conduct. Pardons are serious matters. He issued this one on a whim.
"Pardons are serious matters. He issued this one on a whim".
BAHAHAHAHA .......BJ would never do such a thing, would he? BAHAHAHAHA
Toooo funny
The only thing he's guilty of is being too Conservative.
I would have gave him a metal.
This one will do ...
Proof of what? There's loads of case law about the right of noncitizens in the US. http://www.whitlockgray.com/2017/01/30/do-non-citizens-have-rights-under-the-constitution/
http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...ocumented-immigrants-have-constitutional-rig/
It took BO and GWB years to issue their first pardons after they went through the appropriate DoJ process. They also focused on private individuals they believed were worthy of a sentencing adjustment, not on their friends. Bush's decision to not pardon Libby was one of the high points of his Presidency (and was widely reported as a major break between him and Cheney.)
You can disagree with whom they pardoned, but there is no real question that they followed normal processes and didn't wantonly issue a pardon to someone due to their personal relationship with them. They also did not call the AG and ask him to stop the prosecution of a friend. Trump is making a mockery of the process. He puts his friends over the rule of law. This is why it is like the Marc Rich pardon, not the Chelsea Manning commutation. It's about taking care of a friend.
This is the sort of thing we see in corrupt banana republics. In the 21st century, using one's power to not prosecute friends/allies is a hallmark of bad regimes.
Yawn. Being conservative or liberal is not the issue. The issue is he's a racist who decided the main purpose of his office was to constantly harass brown people regardless of their immigration status.The only thing he's guilty of is being too Conservative.
I would have gave him a metal.
This one will do ...
And the people got to vote on what to do with him last year. He lost by 13 points. the Federal government's decision to point out the failures of his rule likely helped this needed change happen. This was a great outcome overall. The DoJ defended the rights of local citizens against a bad local government.
This shows just how far apart we are.
You somehow do not get the point that we really "believe" that folks like the ones you mentioned above need to be here "legally" or "go back home" to South America.
"US Sovereignty" is at the core of our beliefs.
The Leftist "Open Border Policies" of Europe are not welcome here.
Germany's refusal to close it's borders to refugees from Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan etc. was a dismal failure.
Like most Liberals on this board, you see our side as uneducated racist.
We on the other hand see you as weak Anti-Americans. Your degrees in higher education taught you nothing from the lessons of WWII and this guy.
Neville Chamberlain
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