Illinois Playoff Format Visualized for Missouri
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Under this format it seems like you are better off in a bad league
Missouri will never do it. Heck we created the MAP test just so we would have a test with Missouri on it.
Never understood the fascination many have with the Illinois system. I have friends and family in Illinois. It is an ok system and it would be fine here, but it is not some great amazing system either. Many people there cannot stand it. As with any system there are pros and cons. There is no perfect system. I like the system we have about as well as any we have had. As the old saying goes the grass is not always greener on the other side.
We've had about 10-15 years since the return to the points system and it works well, but could use some adjusting now that we've been able to see a couple of flaws that it has. I would keep the points system, but do more like Kansas for district where they have 1-2 districts for large class schools panning out to 8-16 districts for smaller schools. This would negate travel time for small schools will opening up larger classes where there is usually more parity.
Class 1 & 2 (48).- 16 districts of 3 - top seed earns a bye
Class 3 (48) - 8 districts of 6 - top 2 seeds earns a bye
Class 4 (48) - 4 districts of 12 - top 4 seeds earn a bye
Class 5 (48) - 2 districts of 24 - top 8 seeds earn a bye
Class 6 (Catch-all = 62) - top 2 seeds earn a bye
30 points for a win
15 points for loss
22.5 point for an out of state tie
± 17 maximum point margin
No point margin awarded for overtime wins & losses (21 points for a 1 point win versus 28 points for a quadruple overtime win under the current format doesn't make any sense)
+10 cap for playing up regardless of number of classes playing up (Class 1 school gets 10 points for playing up 4 classes against a Class 5 school instead of 40 points)
And then keep the opponents average W/L points part of the formula.
Class 1 & 2 (48).- 16 districts of 3 - top seed earns a bye
Class 3 (48) - 8 districts of 6 - top 2 seeds earns a bye
Class 4 (48) - 4 districts of 12 - top 4 seeds earn a bye
Class 5 (48) - 2 districts of 24 - top 8 seeds earn a bye
Class 6 (Catch-all = 62) - top 2 seeds earn a bye
30 points for a win
15 points for loss
22.5 point for an out of state tie
± 17 maximum point margin
No point margin awarded for overtime wins & losses (21 points for a 1 point win versus 28 points for a quadruple overtime win under the current format doesn't make any sense)
+10 cap for playing up regardless of number of classes playing up (Class 1 school gets 10 points for playing up 4 classes against a Class 5 school instead of 40 points)
And then keep the opponents average W/L points part of the formula.
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EVERY TEAM makes the playoffs in this state. Prove me wrong.
I think everyone knows that the whole playoff system would be better without this first week. Point system to four-team district playoff. We all get done a week sooner. And wrestling and basketball coaches throughout the state will praise the great idea.
Technically, the playoffs start when losing means your season is over. Prove me wrong.
It is a playoff. You lose you go home. It starts after the regular season. Jacktards on here try to make that distinction. But that is what makes them, by definition, Jacktards.
I know some like the whole “everyone get a shot” but a system more like Illinois would mean more. Look at all the schools that would make the playoffs that never would have before and even win a playoff game.
I personally would going 6 classes, 24 in each class, seed by win % then by Missouri point system.
You’d have to modify the point system some with classes not being set till the playoffs. You could go 3 points for playing an opponent 60%, 4 point for 80% and 5 for double your enrollment. Points a bigger emphasis of SOS but still reward teams for playing up.
I personally would going 6 classes, 24 in each class, seed by win % then by Missouri point system.
You’d have to modify the point system some with classes not being set till the playoffs. You could go 3 points for playing an opponent 60%, 4 point for 80% and 5 for double your enrollment. Points a bigger emphasis of SOS but still reward teams for playing up.
I think the biggest question would be about teams that play in a weak conference. It would definitely make the regular season games more meaningful, but man would people really be trying to schedule weak opponents if possible.
The more points for playing up isn't accurate IMO.
That plays itself out yearly in the smaller classes.
Just play Central or Clinton and voila.
I understand that but when you look at the number of upsets with weekend and overall I don’t think it holds much weight when you get into schools with 5 wins or less.
any system. Smart coach/AD just figures out who the weak sisters are in classes above them and grabs them up.
That doesn't mean your team is any good. Just means you know how to work the system.
A team that was 1-8 totally destroyed a team that would have been 8-1.
Cool you found 1 game. And neither would have made the playoffs on the set up.
Still don’t change the fact the the there simply not a lot of upsets in the first round
The first week of districts is basically the last week of the regular season. Everyone should play 10 games. I think we have a good set up other than the points formula needs to be tweeked.
I hear it on here a lot, but what is the huge negative to the current format? Does the best team still get crowned as the state champ? You still had blowouts in the old system when it was the last 3 games of the year. I do agree that the points system could be tweaked and made better, but overall I just don't get the big fuss of the current system.
Why? What’s the big deal on playing 10 games? I promise you no one that has 1, 2 or 3 wins really cares that much
The 1-8 team that won last Friday cares a lot.
I not necessarily against it. It does its job. I just like the Illinois system better. It also does its job. I think it’s more rewarding and doesn’t set up 1 win teams to be turbo’d in their last game.
Missouri has done it it was called the Playoff format in the 70's, the issue is to many of you young people never lived thru and have forgotten what that was like.
You will see schools going back to scheduling cream puffs to make the playoffs and those who are in tuff leagues leaving.
They do care, Seniors care, if you have ever put on the gear you would know that.
Many kids want just one more game, to short those seniors is bull crap.
Did you ever play football during the 70's and early 80's under the points system that decided your if you moved on or not?... if you did you would know what the big fuss is. Schools fought hard to decide on the field who moves on and who doesn't not some damn points system.
Think they’d feel the same way if they were in a district with 3 or 4 ranked teams? The fact they were a 3 seed in a 7 team district shows the major flaw in the regional district set up.
Until you see one of those Seniors put into the back of an ambulance because I’ve been that coach.
Nope, can't say that I did. Are you saying the 70s and 80s had a better system than currently? I'm a little confused on your stance, because one of your posts makes it sound like it was terrible, but this post makes it seem like you feel it is better.
Could they also not be put into the ambulance in game 1? Are you saying game 10 is more dangerous than game 1-9? I had a child knocked out all season from an injury that happened in a scrimmage game, hate to tell you injury's can happen anytime during the season, not just game 10.
no it was terrible, everybody having a chance to move forward has been the best. I don't like to see 40-0 blowouts but those kids at least get to decide it on the field not because of points.
I agree with you. That's why I was confused about your response to my comment.
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