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I want more global warming to come my way

Cause we all know global warming only means it should be hot every were all the time.
 
Originally posted by 3Rfan:
Cause we all know global warming only means it should be hot every were all the time.
That used to be what it meant until it didn't happen then it became climate change.
 
Poor Miller must have failed science. The earth is warming the facts are there just some people follow fox not facts.
 
Miller you can't be that dumb. Global warming or climate change has NEVER meant it's getting hotter everywhere all the time. It means that warming IS a problem and the biggest issue is in ocean waters. It changes weather patterns, not just makes Missouri feel like the Bahamas year round.
 
Originally posted by 3Rfan:
Miller you can't be that dumb. Global warming or climate change has NEVER meant it's getting hotter everywhere all the time. It means that warming IS a problem and the biggest issue is in ocean waters. It changes weather patterns, not just makes Missouri feel like the Bahamas year round.
Yes he is.
 
how much has it warmed over the last 150 years or so where we have actual recored data ??
 
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This much.

It's hard to believe that some people still think scientist are making it all up.
 
Originally posted by Stevedangos:

how much has it warmed over the last 150 years or so where we have actual recored data ??
The answer varies by location but the average change in air temperature was an increase of 1.5 degrees from 1880 to 2012.

That in and of itself is not meaningful; what matters is the fact that this increase is not explainable by natural phenomena such as changes in solar activity, volcanic eruptions, etc.
 
My home is completely off grid, are you ready, willing, and able to invest the $25,000-$30,000 it requires to be almost energy independent??

Either that or go without electricity and ride a bike or walk ??

Only way to make clean energy cheaply on a large scale is to be like France and be almost 100% Nuclear

This post was edited on 2/25 7:05 AM by Stevedangos
 
France is about 80% nuclear, but it's the largest energy exporter in the EU, including countries that have decided nuclear isn't "green." Looking at you Germany.
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The Hudson river is ice jammed

Go figure..according to NBC news...never this bad
 
Its crazy that with modern nuclear technology we arent installing them all over the nation. If we had the political will pointed in that direction instead of solar and wind which are not usefull on a large scale we might accomplish something .

New battery technology is the key to electric cars but its expensive and decades down the road. What we need is a good cheap source of those dilithium crystals and antimatter :)
 
I think everyone would like to build new reactors, but right now with natural gas being so cheap it's just economical to build natural gas plants. The problem is natural gas prices are not promised to stay this low forever, and utilities realize that. 2 reactors are being built in Georgia and South Carolina, and Tennessee is moving towards adding another as well. Ameren would like to build another, but they can't charge customers up front for new construction.
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Originally posted by Stevedangos:

Its crazy that with modern nuclear technology we arent installing them all over the nation. If we had the political will pointed in that direction instead of solar and wind which are not usefull on a large scale we might accomplish something .

New battery technology is the key to electric cars but its expensive and decades down the road. What we need is a good cheap source of those dilithium crystals and antimatter :)
As cowherd notes, nat gas is what is hurting nuclear more than anything. The cost is too cheap for base load power from nat gas right now.

There's also issues on the demand side - electricity use is not growing very quickly in the US. In fact, in many places outside of the Sun Belt, it's basically not growing at all (including Missouri). That's limiting the need for new power generation in much of the country. In a place like Missouri, new generation is really only needed to replace coal plants that will eventually be retired.
 
I think for the time being coal plant retirement (which I believe will continue no matter which party is in power) and utility diversification will continue to drive new nuclear plant construction, or at least major power uprating at existing nuclear plants. There's a lot of money being invested now in nuclear even with slow growth (at least in the us).
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I guess you have figured out away to dispose of/store nuclear waste safely?
 
Originally posted by 3Rfan:
I guess you have figured out away to dispose of/store nuclear waste safely?
Nuclear waste storage is much more a political story than a science story. No one wants the waste repository built in their district. It's not that we can't find a way to put it somewhere, it's that Congress can't get a deal done on where that somewhere is.
 
Nuclear waste is not really that big of a deal imo. The navy has been burying it for years with no incident. Yucca mountain would be a fine place to store it. We could do what France does and reprocess the fuel. Reactors can be built to burn more of the fuel. Nuclear reactors put out far less waste than any other power plant.
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We have a perfectly fine one half built into Yucca mountain that Obama pulled funding for over pure politics.
 
For well over a decade now, climate alarmists have been claiming that snow would soon become a thing of the past. In March 2000, for example, "senior research scientist" David Viner, working at the time for the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia, told the U.K. Independent that within "a few years," snowfall would become "a very rare and exciting event" in Britain. "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he was quoted as claiming in the article, headlined "Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past."

The very next year, snowfall across the United Kingdom increased by more than 50 percent. In 2008, perfectly timed for a "global warming" legislation debate in Parliament, London saw its first October snow since 1934 - or possibly even 1922, according to the U.K. Register. "It is unusual to have snow this early," a spokesperson for the alarmist U.K. Met office admitted to The Guardian newspaper. By December of 2009, London saw its heaviest levels of snowfall in two decades. In 2010, the coldest U.K. winter since rec­ords began a century ago blanketed the islands with snow.


After the outlandish predictions of snowless winters failed to materialize, the CRU dramatically changed its tune on snowfall. All across Britain, in fact, global-warming alarmists rushed to blame the record cold and heavy snow experienced in recent years on - you guessed it! - global warming. Less snow: global warming. More snow: global warming. Get it? Good.






In 2005, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) warned that imminent sea-level rises, increased hurricanes, and desertification caused by "man-made global warming" would lead to massive population disruptions. In a handy map, the organization highlighted areas that were supposed to be particularly vulnerable in terms of producing "climate refugees." Especially at risk were regions such as the Caribbean and low-lying Pacific islands, along with coastal areas.

The 2005 UNEP predictions claimed that, by 2010, some 50 million "climate refugees" would be frantically fleeing from those regions of the globe. However, not only did the areas in question fail to produce a single "climate refugee," by 2010, population levels for those regions were actually still soaring. In many cases, the areas that were supposed to be producing waves of "climate refugees" and becoming uninhabitable turned out to be some of the fastest-growing places on Earth.




Perhaps nowhere have the alarmists' predictions been proven as wrong as at the Earth's poles. In 2007, 2008, and 2009, Al Gore, the high priest for a movement described by critics as the "climate cult," publicly warned that the North Pole would be "ice-free" in the summer by around 2013 because of alleged "man-made global warming."

Gore, though, was hardly alone in making the ridiculous and now thoroughly discredited predictions about Arctic ice. Citing climate experts, the British government-funded BBC, for example, also hyped the mass hysteria, running a now-embarrassing article on December 12, 2007, under the headline: "Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'." In that piece, which was still online as of July 2014, the BBC highlighted alleged "modeling studies" that supposedly "indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years." Incredibly, some of the supposed "experts" even claimed it could happen before then, citing calculations performed by "super computers" that the BBC noted have "become a standard part of climate science in recent years."




In his second-term inaugural address, Obama also made some climate claims, saying: "Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires and crippling drought and powerful storms." Ironically, all three of the examples he provided of what he called the "threat of climate change" actually discredit his argument.

As Forbes magazine pointed out last year, the number of wildfires has plummeted 15 percent since 1950, and according the National Academy of Sciences, that trend is likely to continue for decades. On "droughts," a 2012 study published in the alarmist journal Nature noted that there has been "little change in global drought over the past 60 years." The UN's own climate alarmists were even forced to conclude last year that in many regions of the world, "droughts have become less frequent, less intense, or shorter."

Regarding hurricanes and tornadoes, it probably would have been hard for Obama to choose a worse example to illustrate the alleged threat of man-made warming. Contrary to predictions by global warmists, hurricanes and tornadoes have been hitting in record-setting low numbers. "When the 2014 hurricane season starts it will have been 3,142 days since the last Category 3+ storm made landfall in the U.S., shattering the record for the longest stretch between U.S. intense hurricanes since 1900," noted professor of environmental studies Roger Pielke, Jr. at the University of Colorado, who last year left alarmists who had predicted more extreme weather linked to alleged global warming silent after pointing out the facts in a Senate hearing. "The five-year period ending 2013 has seen two hurricane landfalls. That is a record low since 1900." After adjusting the data for trends such as population growth and better reporting, it appears that 2013 also featured the lowest number of tornadoes in the long-term record.





Americans who lived through the 1960s and '70s may remember the dire global-cooling predictions that were hyped and given great credibility by Newsweek, Time, Life, National Geographic, and numerous other mainstream media outlets. According to the man-made global-cooling theories of the time, billions of people should be dead by now owing to cooling-linked crop failures and starvation.

"If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but 11 degrees colder by the year 2000," claimed ecology professor Kenneth E.F. Watt at the University of California in 1970. "This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age." Of course, 2000 came and went, and the world did not get 11 degrees colder. No ice age arrived, either.

In 1971, another global-cooling alarmist, Stanford University professor Paul Ehrlich, who is perhaps best known for his 1968 book The Population Bomb, made similarly wild forecasts for the end of the millennium in a speech at the British Institute for Biology. "By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people," he claimed. "If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 and give ten to one that the life of the average Briton would be of distinctly lower quality than it is today." Of course, England still exists, and its population was doing much better in 2000 than when Ehrlich made his kooky claims. But long before 2000, Ehrlich had abandoned global-cooling alarmism in favor of warning that the Earth faced catastrophic global warming. Now he is warning that humans may soon be forced to resort to cannibalism.
 
For well over a decade now, climate alarmists have been claiming that snow would soon become a thing of the past. In March 2000, for example, "senior research scientist" David Viner, working at the time for the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia, told the U.K. Independent that within "a few years," snowfall would become "a very rare and exciting event" in Britain. "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he was quoted as claiming in the article, headlined "Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past."

The very next year, snowfall across the United Kingdom increased by more than 50 percent. In 2008, perfectly timed for a "global warming" legislation debate in Parliament, London saw its first October snow since 1934 - or possibly even 1922, according to the U.K. Register. "It is unusual to have snow this early," a spokesperson for the alarmist U.K. Met office admitted to The Guardian newspaper. By December of 2009, London saw its heaviest levels of snowfall in two decades. In 2010, the coldest U.K. winter since rec­ords began a century ago blanketed the islands with snow.


After the outlandish predictions of snowless winters failed to materialize, the CRU dramatically changed its tune on snowfall. All across Britain, in fact, global-warming alarmists rushed to blame the record cold and heavy snow experienced in recent years on - you guessed it! - global warming. Less snow: global warming. More snow: global warming. Get it? Good.






In 2005, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) warned that imminent sea-level rises, increased hurricanes, and desertification caused by "man-made global warming" would lead to massive population disruptions. In a handy map, the organization highlighted areas that were supposed to be particularly vulnerable in terms of producing "climate refugees." Especially at risk were regions such as the Caribbean and low-lying Pacific islands, along with coastal areas.

The 2005 UNEP predictions claimed that, by 2010, some 50 million "climate refugees" would be frantically fleeing from those regions of the globe. However, not only did the areas in question fail to produce a single "climate refugee," by 2010, population levels for those regions were actually still soaring. In many cases, the areas that were supposed to be producing waves of "climate refugees" and becoming uninhabitable turned out to be some of the fastest-growing places on Earth.




Perhaps nowhere have the alarmists' predictions been proven as wrong as at the Earth's poles. In 2007, 2008, and 2009, Al Gore, the high priest for a movement described by critics as the "climate cult," publicly warned that the North Pole would be "ice-free" in the summer by around 2013 because of alleged "man-made global warming."

Gore, though, was hardly alone in making the ridiculous and now thoroughly discredited predictions about Arctic ice. Citing climate experts, the British government-funded BBC, for example, also hyped the mass hysteria, running a now-embarrassing article on December 12, 2007, under the headline: "Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'." In that piece, which was still online as of July 2014, the BBC highlighted alleged "modeling studies" that supposedly "indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years." Incredibly, some of the supposed "experts" even claimed it could happen before then, citing calculations performed by "super computers" that the BBC noted have "become a standard part of climate science in recent years."




In his second-term inaugural address, Obama also made some climate claims, saying: "Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires and crippling drought and powerful storms." Ironically, all three of the examples he provided of what he called the "threat of climate change" actually discredit his argument.

As Forbes magazine pointed out last year, the number of wildfires has plummeted 15 percent since 1950, and according the National Academy of Sciences, that trend is likely to continue for decades. On "droughts," a 2012 study published in the alarmist journal Nature noted that there has been "little change in global drought over the past 60 years." The UN's own climate alarmists were even forced to conclude last year that in many regions of the world, "droughts have become less frequent, less intense, or shorter."

Regarding hurricanes and tornadoes, it probably would have been hard for Obama to choose a worse example to illustrate the alleged threat of man-made warming. Contrary to predictions by global warmists, hurricanes and tornadoes have been hitting in record-setting low numbers. "When the 2014 hurricane season starts it will have been 3,142 days since the last Category 3+ storm made landfall in the U.S., shattering the record for the longest stretch between U.S. intense hurricanes since 1900," noted professor of environmental studies Roger Pielke, Jr. at the University of Colorado, who last year left alarmists who had predicted more extreme weather linked to alleged global warming silent after pointing out the facts in a Senate hearing. "The five-year period ending 2013 has seen two hurricane landfalls. That is a record low since 1900." After adjusting the data for trends such as population growth and better reporting, it appears that 2013 also featured the lowest number of tornadoes in the long-term record.





Americans who lived through the 1960s and '70s may remember the dire global-cooling predictions that were hyped and given great credibility by Newsweek, Time, Life, National Geographic, and numerous other mainstream media outlets. According to the man-made global-cooling theories of the time, billions of people should be dead by now owing to cooling-linked crop failures and starvation.

"If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but 11 degrees colder by the year 2000," claimed ecology professor Kenneth E.F. Watt at the University of California in 1970. "This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age." Of course, 2000 came and went, and the world did not get 11 degrees colder. No ice age arrived, either.

In 1971, another global-cooling alarmist, Stanford University professor Paul Ehrlich, who is perhaps best known for his 1968 book The Population Bomb, made similarly wild forecasts for the end of the millennium in a speech at the British Institute for Biology. "By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people," he claimed. "If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 and give ten to one that the life of the average Briton would be of distinctly lower quality than it is today." Of course, England still exists, and its population was doing much better in 2000 than when Ehrlich made his kooky claims. But long before 2000, Ehrlich had abandoned global-cooling alarmism in favor of warning that the Earth faced catastrophic global warming. Now he is warning that humans may soon be forced to resort to cannibalism.
 
It is fair although the real impediment to yucca mountain has long been Harry Reid. He's the number one reason it never happened.
 
Great idea burying radioactive waste in a mountain or the sea and expect nothing bad to happen for thousands of years!!! We are leaving future generations a sewer for a planet.
 
Harry killed it by befriending Obama and putting his lapdog at the head of the nrc. It's totally political.

As far as never expecting something to go wrong, it's not like they would toss it in an oil barrel just throw it carefree into the mountain and never check on it. Working at yucca mountain would be a full time job for a lot of people, akin to a national lab I would think. Plus, you're ignoring the fact that we could use up way more of this waste if the government would let utilities reprocess the fuel. That is another purely political move with 0 scientific backing.
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