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I stand and applaud. Parents of shooter charged.

Toots_mcgee

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Now if we could just get that car charged in the Waukesha Parade Tragedy. According to CNN and MSNBC, that is what caused deaths and injuries.
If you read the article you will understand why they are culpable. But skip that and make an absurd comparison instead.
 
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I think you are missing the point.
The mother knew by way of journal entry the kid planned on shooting people and didn’t warn the school WHEN she and father was up there BEFORE at meeting called by school about the boys’ behaviors. It is also being reported the father bought the gun for the kid. I haven’t confirmed that yet. Regardless of what gun laws exist or don’t exist in that state, it was really stupid for the adults in that household to have access to a firearm available to a potentially- emotionally behaviorally disturbed child errrrrrrr…….allegedly bullied hs student. Bullied or not is no justifiable reason to shoot people. (Will expand on the positives of having been bullied at a different time though )
This sucks all around and I’m down for holding Father, mother and son all accountable and punish them all.
Yes, I know you can call me Captain TLBMIM (Obvious).
 
Holding other people responsible for other people's actions is a slippery slope.....I have zero issue with him being charged as a adult and getting the Death Penalty....but don't believe they have it.

Not sure how this is Progress? I mean really if he was that intent to kill....he would of found a gun illegally. You cannot stop highly motivated individuals who are bent on doing harm to others. To believe that it is possible to do so with more laws and restrictions is a lie and illogical.
 
Holding other people responsible for other people's actions is a slippery slope.....I have zero issue with him being charged as a adult and getting the Death Penalty....but don't believe they have it.

Not sure how this is Progress? I mean really if he was that intent to kill....he would of found a gun illegally. You cannot stop highly motivated individuals who are bent on doing harm to others. To believe that it is possible to do so with more laws and restrictions is a lie and illogical.

Parents are held legally responsible for their minor children's behavior. This is a simple case of bad parenting!!! The warning signs were there. The parents made the awful decision to buy their mentally disturbed son. They are justly charged with involuntary manslaughter. A guilty verdict will help the victims' families in civil court.
 
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Parents are held legally responsible for their minor children's behavior. This is a simple case of bad parenting!!! The warning signs were there. The parents made the awful decision to buy their mentally disturbed son. They are justly charged with involuntary manslaughter. A guilty verdict will help the victims' families in civil court.
Most states hold parents Liable and parents can get charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. But to make them responsible is different than contributing. And of yet no study has found that laws the hold parents criminally liable have had any effect on the crimes of their off spring. Just another politician feel good Law to pacify the masses. Laws are for prosecution they rarely deter the Highly motivated Violent criminal mind. They always find a way.
 
The school should be on the hook too according to the report I read.
You ain't kidding! The report the DA gave was pretty harsh on the school, even they were not charged or anything. I don't know how they could have let the kid go back to class after the drawings he had on him that morning.
Why they didn't check his bag for a weapon is also beyond me.
Weak administration.
 
You ain't kidding! The report the DA gave was pretty harsh on the school, even they were not charged or anything. I don't know how they could have let the kid go back to class after the drawings he had on him that morning.
Why they didn't check his bag for a weapon is also beyond me.
Weak administration.
I think adults...the parents, the school administration tend to give Children the benefit of the doubt. Working in the field we see this type of stuff ad nauseum and most of it is just attention seeking behavior and never amounts to a hill of beans, this stuff is all the rage today, as is the transgender bug and cutters and self mutilators was popular as well in the recent past.

Now We can usually spot the posers from a mile away, but we also take every threat as serious because we want to error on the side of caution. But that is our field of expertise. And our facility depends upon us not being incorrect.

Training for Teachers or Parents is not going to really have a large effect. They would have to basically have two careers to deal with these issues. I was not in the meeting with the Parents, the Administration and the Kid. So I'm a bit hesitant to judge from a DA report. Unless we get full on audio of the encounter and what went on, it might be premature to rush to judgement.

People tend to like to play the blame game, and to assume that horrific things can be prevented, that is usually not the case when you have a extremely motivated person prone to violence. They almost always find away.

I can give you one example that happened about a decade ago of how motivated violent people find away. We had a child under 11 years of age brought in and he was a sick individual. Now he could be cheery and charming clearly he fit the definition of a Psychopath, but underneath he was what most lay people would deem truly evil, our Psychiatrist, Psychologist's and other treatment team begged the parents and Social Services to put him in a long term facility.

We knew at that young age he was capable of doing really bad things. Our advice was not heeded and in fact rejected and not believed by his parents and most outside professionals. It's hard to see true side of a child behind the masks they can put on.

Well needless to say in about 3 months we saw a report on TV that a Child had shot his brother and killed him with the neighbors gun....we knew instantly who it was. 7-10 hours later he was back on the Unit. All cheery and not showing one ounce or remorse. He smiled at me and the first thing he said to me....if I make levels in 3 days do I get to play the video games and get ice cream!!!!

Kid had just shot his younger brother and killed him, I sat him down and told him sure you follow the treatment and earn levels you get the reward. Then I asked him to tell me about his day and he was happy to do so. He relayed to me how him and his brother had played in a field and how he had snuck in his neighbors house found a gun and just wondered what it would be like to kill someone so he just killed his brother. I asked him how it felt to kill his brother, he said made him sad and he was sorry, I didn't believe him at all, his body language and actions didn't show any signs of shock, remorse or repression. He was just repeating to me what He thought I wanted to hear.

People like this tend to find away. People don't want to believe that broken people capable of great evil exist or that it's not their fault something turned them that way and they can be fixed. That is a bigger lie than the Loch Ness monster.
 
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I work at a Psych. Facility. I've talked about that on here before so yeah I understand that. Before that I was income Maintenance worker for the state of Mo. that is when I figured out the Gov. was more corrupt than the Mob and was useless as tit's on a boar hog and that we handed out benefits to people who are fit to work but are lazy and irresponsible but are master manipulators and hood wink the Average person.

In college I worked in Heating/Air/Welding/Plumbing. I still help maintain our Family Farm. I have 3 degree's from college. I coach Football as a Hobby, that along with collecting Movies as my other passion. I use to Hunt and Fish, but don't have time any more. But still target shoot. Anything else you want to know?

Oh and I never claimed to be a Expert......But it's not that hard to acquire knowledge or information about any subject. And I do like to delve into things but then sometimes I move on. At one time I was gung ho into Smoking and BQ and did that for about 5yrs. then it became a chore, same with brewing beer and a host of other hobbies I took up and then moved on from....
 
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I work at a Psych. Facility. I've talked about that on here before so yeah I understand that. Before that I was income Maintenance worker for the state of Mo. that is when I figured out the Gov. was more corrupt than the Mob and was useless as tit's on a boar hog and that we handed out benefits to people who are fit to work but are lazy and irresponsible but are master manipulators and hood wink the Average person.

In college I worked in Heating/Air/Welding/Plumbing. I still help maintain our Family Farm. I have 3 degree's from college. I coach Football as a Hobby, that along with collecting Movies as my other passion. I use to Hunt and Fish, but don't have time any more. But still target shoot. Anything else you want to know?

Oh and I never claimed to be a Expert......But it's not that hard to acquire knowledge or information about any subject. And I do like to delve into things but then sometimes I move on. At one time I was gung ho into Smoking and BQ and did that for about 5yrs. then it became a chore, same with brewing beer and a host of other hobbies I took up and then moved on from....
I can tell you none of those hold a candle to track maintenance on the RR, especially in the 70's and 80's.
 
Intellectually or physically?
Mostly physically but you do have to learn how to do things right and that helps make it easier on yourself and your coworkers. Heat and cold can be a VERY big factor and those are are times when more things go wrong on a RR track.
 
Same on a Farm, or with Heating/Air equipment. Heat and cold destroy and expose the weak spots in machinery or systems.
 
Same on a Farm, or with Heating/Air equipment. Heat and cold destroy and expose the weak spots in machinery or systems.
OK you got me, RR track work is and always has been as easy as pie, especially in the 80's and before.
 
OK you got me, RR track work is and always has been as easy as pie, especially in the 80's and before.
I was talking about how it was the same on the farm Heat and cold exposes weakness to farm equipment and Heating and Air system's. ...I never said RR work wasn't physically hard, I always assumed it was and is. I never said anything about it being easy as pie...just that young and able bodied people can clearly with some training do that job if they are mentally inclined to.
 
I was talking about how it was the same on the farm Heat and cold exposes weakness to farm equipment and Heating and Air system's. ...I never said RR work wasn't physically hard, I always assumed it was and is. I never said anything about it being easy as pie...just that young and able bodied people can clearly with some training do that job if they are mentally inclined to.
They have to do it until they're 60. It was 65 when I started then dropped to 62 and 60. The heat and cold on RR tracks is not just wear and tear. The heat can cause the track to buckle, we called it a sun kink, and if it's not found before a train comes along you have a derailment. In the cold the rail can break the bolts and pull apart several inches on jointed rail and break and pull apart on continous welded rail. Also the possibility of a derailment.
 
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Finally. Progress in the war on gun violence.

I am a gun owner and carry all the time. I am also a bigtime supporter of prosecuting everyone that has a gun on them when they commit a crime whether they use it or not. SOmeone has a gun and robs a convience store put them in jail for 20 years no pardon or parole . Treat criminals as the problem and not the gun and problem will go away, hard to do the crime when you are in a jail cell
 
What a simple solution for a simple problem! Who would of thunk that would work!
 
Well mass shooting tend to happen in Gun Free zones, schools Movie Theaters, Post offices, college campus, or Concerts etc.....Good guys with guns tend to obey the Laws. Bad guys with Guns DON'T. Hence a good guy can't stop the violence.

Nice slanted post though not taking into context the situations....Do Dem's buy that kind of stuff because they are not individual thinkers?
 
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