I’m sure libertarians and free market lovers will applaud

[Toots_mcgee]

 

[bullitpdq68]

So are you for noncompete clauses?

 

[Toots_mcgee]

So are you for noncompete clauses?

Hell no. It’s BS. It has been abused by businesses where it isn’t even necessary.
It’s a power play.

 

[Arcola]

So are you for noncompete clauses?

Glad I wasn’t the only one confused.

 

[MGHS]

As with most things there are legit reasons to have NCC.... but having Security Guards, Janitors etc. involved is pure BS.

In the R&D departments NCC are very vital and necessary to makes sure Tech and innovations are not being paid for by one company and then stolen by another!

Also NCC are prudent if a company has paid for and invested in specialized training and education for a Employee and then they don't see a return on that investment and once it's paid for the flee to another company.

What if your a Mom and Pop welding company and invest in training and education for welders with the idea you will regain that investment with them working for you and then as soon as they are trained they move to a Bigger Welding Corporation that pays more with better benefits? I NCC means you can at least retain them until the NCC is over and you break even on the investment.

 

[r14veer]

As with most things there are legit reasons to have NCC.... but having Security Guards, Janitors etc. involved is pure BS.

In the R&D departments NCC are very vital and necessary to makes sure Tech and innovations are not being paid for by one company and then stolen by another!

Also NCC are prudent if a company has paid for and invested in specialized training and education for a Employee and then they don't see a return on that investment and once it's paid for the flee to another company.

What if your a Mom and Pop welding company and invest in training and education for welders with the idea you will regain that investment with them working for you and then as soon as they are trained they move to a Bigger Welding Corporation that pays more with better benefits? I NCC means you can at least retain them until the NCC is over and you break even on the investment.

Perhaps they should just, instead, provide a good enough incentive to remain and not give away their innovations. Isn't that true free market capitalism?

 

[MGHS]

Isn't that a bit Naive to assume that employee's are not corrupt and full of greed as much or more so than the Corporations they work for? I'd say in most cases those employee's are being well compensated at the market value in R&D. But a competing corporation or the Chinese might throw Millions of dollars to steal technology and innovations to gain a competitive edge.. ....

 

[r14veer]

Isn't that a bit Naive to assume that employee's are not corrupt and full of greed as much or more so than the Corporations they work for? I'd say in most cases those employee's are being well compensated at the market value in R&D. But a competing corporation or the Chinese might throw Millions of dollars to steal technology and innovations to gain a competitive edge.. ....

Who is making that assumption? Of course they're just as greedy and they would be just as corrupt if they were in the position of power instead. But I'm wondering why is one's greed somehow better than the other's greed? Our courts protect and, indeed, foster and reward corporate greed but often punish individual greed.

 

[3Rfan]

As with most things there are legit reasons to have NCC.... but having Security Guards, Janitors etc. involved is pure BS.

In the R&D departments NCC are very vital and necessary to makes sure Tech and innovations are not being paid for by one company and then stolen by another!

Also NCC are prudent if a company has paid for and invested in specialized training and education for a Employee and then they don't see a return on that investment and once it's paid for the flee to another company.

What if your a Mom and Pop welding company and invest in training and education for welders with the idea you will regain that investment with them working for you and then as soon as they are trained they move to a Bigger Welding Corporation that pays more with better benefits? I NCC means you can at least retain them until the NCC is over and you break even on the investment.

I doubt if that's a real non compete clause issue. People move from one job to another in the same field all the time if they can get better pay or want to move to another location. They don't go to give away the secret of of how to weld things.

 

[Expect2Win]

Gesh, democrats are bad, media members are bad, and workers are bad. Every time I try to read something on here, someone is complaining about a group of people. I feel depressed just reading some people's posts.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

There is a local girl who worked for a restoration company and was hired when there weren’t a lot of jobs available and they made her sign a non compete. Turns out the work environment was hostile. She tried to get a job at another local company using her experience and company 1 sued her and company 2. Working for company 2 in no way harms company 1. It is a freakin joke.

 

[Expect2Win]

I hope she countersued for the hostile work environment.

 

[3Rfan]

There is a local girl who worked for a restoration company and was hired when there weren’t a lot of jobs available and they made her sign a non compete. Turns out the work environment was hostile. She tried to get a job at another local company using her experience and company 1 sued her and company 2. Working for company 2 in no way harms company 1. It is a freakin joke.

There must some real big trade secrets in then restoration industry.

 

[MGHS]

Who is making that assumption? Of course they're just as greedy and they would be just as corrupt if they were in the position of power instead. But I'm wondering why is one's greed somehow better than the other's greed? Our courts protect and, indeed, foster and reward corporate greed but often punish individual greed.

I agree think about when the individual in I believe Tenn. bought a ton of Hand Sanitizer during C19 and was punished fined and shunned, a simple Individual making a smart decision and taking advantage of the current situation to enrich his family and himself, corporations etc. do that all the time without recourse... Corporate greed has more power and influence and is a Anonymous entity made up of thousands of Share Holders and investors with no individual or face to blame and they are According to the Govt/Politicians to BIG TO FAIL in a lot of cases, not fair but it's the system.

I personally would have no issue with some minimal changes to the system but that is not going to happen because it benefits those in power and to some degree it also benefits the people who work for those Corporations as they are often fairly compensated.

 

[MGHS]

I doubt if that's a real non compete clause issue. People move from one job to another in the same field all the time if they can get better pay or want to move to another location. They don't go to give away the secret of of how to weld things.

I'm not sure how many Welders, Street Sweepers, Trash man or Roofers etc. have to sign a NCC. I'm not sure why at some of these corporations that they are Having Security and Janitors sign them, unless it's because they could be corporate Spy's possibly and gain access to vital information and share that information to that companies opposition.

I know of two incidents that involve NCC. My Ex-wife was a Shipping Manager for a Company and had to sign a NCC for a Food company because of their recipes and Tech. used to make the product everyone there did even the Union Line Workers. She got a new boss and within a year she was ushered out the door with severance, no real reason was ever given by him. Several years later some of the people who worked there told her that the new boss was a Corporate spy for a competing Food company and was passing on information, he of course was fired and they sued I don't know the out Come of the case.

The other information I have on such things comes from my Brother who is head of IT/Tech at a factory for a major Global Corporation. They make a common part for compressors that other companies make as well, but they have a machines tech. and computer tech. that allows them to make the part faster, better and cheaper. They do not and will not patent the machines etc. because those patents can be copied, tweaked and stolen. There greatest fear is a corporate spy who could steal the process. They go so far as to put the Factories in Rural area's and all the workers including the Lines have to Sign NCC and other legal binding Documents to become employed there.

So Corporate spying is real and taken seriously by Companies as their Bottom line depends on it.

 

[MGHS]

There must some real big trade secrets in then restoration industry.

There could be...what are they restoring, what is the process they use, what technology is involved in the restoration and is that process and the technology used a proprietary process they developed and only they use! Did she go to a competitor or a company that could benefit from the information she had gathered why working there?

You seem to make light of these issues when a company and the employees they employee, pay and provide benefits often depend on the secrets they have developed and use.

As far as toots claim that it was a hostile work environment then if they have NCC I'm sure they have a HR dept. that she could of taken that complaint to and it would of been investigated. Or she could of taken up legal council as well as Expect pointed out.