How far should high school coaches go to avoid a " Clock Job "

[metro-dude]

Most high school coaches have game plans that would give an advantage for their team. Some schools on the schedule have extreme talent therefore winning is not in your favor. How far should a coach go when making out a game plan? Should a delay game be taken off the table when playing teams like St. Mary's, Sikeston, Webster, CBC and Memphis East to avoid a " Clock Job "?

Clock Jobs have a devastating effect on the teams getting blown out. Players and coaches confidence can be affected, practice session can be affected. If clock jobs continue, parents, administrators and school boards may start talking about a coaching change.

How many mosports posters have been on the receiving ends of a " Clock Job " or multi Clock Jobs in one season? Was your chin on the floor @ practice the next day, did the coach have a short practice because of " Lack of Hustle "? Did players miss school the next day? How does coaches addesss their players after a clock job?

I'll ask again, should a " full pledge Delayed Game " be taken off the table if you are playing one of the above teams to avoid a running clock?

 

[dontthumbit]

Most high school coaches have game plans that would give an advantage for their team. Some schools on the schedule have extreme talent therefore winning is not in your favor. How far should a coach go when making out a game plan? Should a delay game be taken off the table when playing teams like St. Mary's, Sikeston, Webster, CBC and Memphis East to avoid a " Clock Job "?

Clock Jobs have a devastating effect on the teams getting blown out. Players and coaches confidence can be affected, practice session can be affected. If clock jobs continue, parents, administrators and school boards may start talking about a coaching change.

How many mosports posters have been on the receiving ends of a " Clock Job " or multi Clock Jobs in one season? Was your chin on the floor @ practice the next day, did the coach have a short practice because of " Lack of Hustle "? Did players miss school the next day? How does coaches addesss their players after a clock job?

I'll ask again, should a " full pledge Delayed Game " be taken off the table if you are playing one of the above teams to avoid a running clock?

 

[dontthumbit]

I don't think its fun to get one and its a little awkward to give a clock job sometimes. If the talent gap is very wide i don't think it affects the losing team as much as you would think Metro. I know there are many factors but you have to keep your schedule each year relative to the type of talent you have on your roster.

 

[wcowherd]

I have to be honest, I felt uncomfortable reading the OP.

 

[rocketsbro]

High school kids are pretty resilient. Nonetheless, the response is the choice of the team that got beat - sulk or use it to better yourself. I'm not saying it isn't hard to grow and learn from a beat down, but I will say that it is worth it.

 

[metro-dude]

High school kids are pretty resilient. Nonetheless, the response is the choice of the team that got beat - sulk or use it to better yourself. I'm not saying it isn't hard to grow and learn from a beat down, but I will say that it is worth it.

Rockersbro and others, I can remember attending a coaching clinic in Kansas City back in the day, one of the speakers stated never get your team beat badly, if the beating continues, the players will stop believing in your game plans. The advice I got out of the meeting was to use all means necessary including delayed-nothing but lay ins to avoid getting beat badly or clock jobs.

Other methods to use is to cut the quarters short, nothing but lay in the last 2-3 minutes of each quarter and make coaching decisions according to the success of the game plan.

 

[mowesten]

Teams should just play man, where are we at in society where we are game planning for a potential clock job to spare everyones feelings?

Here’s the deal, the team that is losing always has the option to end a clock job game at ANY TIME. Hello?

If you’re down by 42 points and you are tired of being embarrassed, then the next time you get the ball, get it across half court and F-ing stand there with it. The team that is ahead by 42 won’t come out and guard you. I promise. And if they do, then we can have a conversation.

The clock will run out, and then the game will be over. Problem solved.

But no. Instead, the team that is down 42 points wants to continue to chuck 3s and call time outs. They want to continue to play, they just don’t want the other team to continue to play. Then they complain because the team that beat them down didn’t do it with their feelings in mind.

This generation of parents and coaches and kids man I can’t handle it. Play the game to the end, play hard and whatever happens between the lines happens. If you get beat down by 42 use it as motivation to get better not start a petition and a four-day sensitivity training seminar on how to deal with a blowout.

 

[wahoolives]

A 20 point loss is not different than a 35 point loss in my opinion. You try to game plan to compete to the best of your ability. I don't see any gain in a delay game when you are already down 20. If you want to try to slow the game down or whatever
early on in the game to compete go for it. Once you are behind big try to use the time for your kids to get better. Now if the other team continues to press or trap that is another issue but I never have a problem with somebody that keeps playing as long as they have subbed and aren't pressing or acting like a bunch of punks and rubbing it in. I have been on both ends of lopsided scores and it was always harder to be on the winning side than losing for me because you don't want your kids to get sloppy and be disrespectful but still compete and play hard. On the losing side if you keep coaching your kids you can use it to try and improve.

 

[Rocket689]

Mowestern wins the “post of the day” award. Well said!

Teams should just play man, where are we at in society where we are game planning for a potential clock job to spare everyones feelings?

Here’s the deal, the team that is losing always has the option to end a clock job game at ANY TIME. Hello?

If you’re down by 42 points and you are tired of being embarrassed, then the next time you get the ball, get it across half court and F-ing stand there with it. The team that is ahead by 42 won’t come out and guard you. I promise. And if they do, then we can have a conversation.

The clock will run out, and then the game will be over. Problem solved.

But no. Instead, the team that is down 42 points wants to continue to chuck 3s and call time outs. They want to continue to play, they just don’t want the other team to continue to play. Then they complain because the team that beat them down didn’t do it with their feelings in mind.

This generation of parents and coaches and kids man I can’t handle it. Play the game to the end, play hard and whatever happens between the lines happens. If you get beat down by 42 use it as motivation to get better not start a petition and a four-day sensitivity training seminar on how to deal with a blowout.

 

[metro-dude]

A 20 point loss is not different than a 35 point loss in my opinion. You try to game plan to compete to the best of your ability. I don't see any gain in a delay game when you are already down 20. If you want to try to slow the game down or whatever
early on in the game to compete go for it. Once you are behind big try to use the time for your kids to get better. Now if the other team continues to press or trap that is another issue but I never have a problem with somebody that keeps playing as long as they have subbed and aren't pressing or acting like a bunch of punks and rubbing it in. I have been on both ends of lopsided scores and it was always harder to be on the winning side than losing for me because you don't want your kids to get sloppy and be disrespectful but still compete and play hard. On the losing side if you keep coaching your kids you can use it to try and improve.

The question is--can players get better if you are completely over matched ? That is a debate question. Could the Sikeston Rocket or mowesten improve playing Fred Thatch a one on one game? I would say, No because Fred would overwhelm or destroy the Rocket and mowesten. How could the Rocket and mowesten improve after the beating and a possible visit to the emergency room?

 

[mowesten]

The question is--can players get better if you are completely over matched ? That is a debate question. Could the Sikeston Rocket or mowesten improve playing Fred Thatch a one on one game? I would say, No because Fred would overwhelm or destroy the Rocket and mowesten. How could the Rocket and mowesten improve after the beating and a possible visit to the emergency room?

I played against lots of players who were a thousand times better than me when I was young. I used to drive hundreds of miles for a pickup game. I left work in the middle of a shift to drive 100 miles for a pickup game. When I was in the military I played on base against all sorts of guys in San Diego. We rented a car to drive to LA to play pick up ball.

The times I played against pros and former D1 guys and street ball legends are the things that I remember about playing basketball.

I won some, lost some, suffered beat downs, blow outs, injuries, fights ... I was rarely if ever the best player on the court and a lot of times I was the worst ... and had fun along the way. It was the most fun I ever had in my life, and I’ve lived a fuller life than most ever will. I’ve had more than my fair share of fun doing all sorts of things, traveled to nearly 50 countries and done all sorts of stuff, most of which probably shouldn’t be discussed here.

Yet, playing basketball is the thing I miss most.

Kids sign up and pay thousands of dollars to play AAU basketball to experience similar things— playing against players that are really good.

Absorbing a beat down is something anyone who has played any significant amount of basketball has absorbed. The people who can’t deal with it are parents who think their kid is “special,” and overly sensitive kids who don’t play basketball because they love it but because they value validation, recognition and attention more than they value competition.

 

[Bluejaypureblood]

I played in a few clock jobs myself. I had a coach that believed that if we got completely beaten down by 30+ then it was our fault and not the other team for doing what they are supposed to. You can always be respectful as a coach and a player when you are more superior, we all know what that means as well on this board. I truly believe that kids need to honestly quit being soft. If you get beat, get better. How many kids go outside with two basketballs and work on ball handling, pick a spot on the wall and hit it every time with different types of passes or shoot 500 free throws on weekends? Growing up I would be riding around with my old man and see kids outside shooting hoops alone! I know that when I was bested by the other player I was guarding I wouldn't put my head down, I would get irritated and work harder. It's mental toughness, if you want to be great then be as great as you can be. The Fred Thatches of our area are extremely talented and Sikeston would beat any team I played on every time but that doesn't mean I would say no if asked to play them again. There are a lot of soft mentalities in my opinion, I'd like to see more of the "Bring it" mentality. There are still players that do that mentality still but harder to find now...

 

[Cant-Coach-Just-Blog]

Thank you Bluejay! Nailed it on the head. The mentality to work to get better when you get beat by the best is dwindling. Some coaches and programs have it, but the everyone gets a ribbon society is slowly killing it

 

[Al SC]

You play to win the game. If overly matched you may slow it down but you still have to play to win. My son's team played Sikeston last year and we were not very good. They went up 17 after one quarter but then we won the next two quarters and really played a pretty good game. After that game we went on a pretty good streak.
The coach also got to see who was really the better players and started giving them more minutes.
I've coached for 20 years and I always learned more in losses than wins. You can't have many blowouts or you will lose your players but having one every once in a while I think helps more than it hurts.

 

[metro-dude]

You play to win the game. If overly matched you may slow it down but you still have to play to win. My son's team played Sikeston last year and we were not very good. They went up 17 after one quarter but then we won the next two quarters and really played a pretty good game. After that game we went on a pretty good streak.
The coach also got to see who was really the better players and started giving them more minutes.
I've coached for 20 years and I always learned more in losses than wins. You can't have many blowouts or you will lose your players but having one every once in a while I think helps more than it hurts.

Al SC, I like your post. Does your son coach @ Cape Central?

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I know there are many factors but you have to keep your schedule each year relative to the type of talent you have on your roster.

If most understood or cared about this, there'd be a lot fewer of these. It takes effort, but can be done. Like you said, some factors limit it. Apathy shouldn't count as one of those.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Teams should just play man, where are we at in society where we are game planning for a potential clock job to spare everyones feelings?

Here’s the deal, the team that is losing always has the option to end a clock job game at ANY TIME. Hello?

If you’re down by 42 points and you are tired of being embarrassed, then the next time you get the ball, get it across half court and F-ing stand there with it. The team that is ahead by 42 won’t come out and guard you. I promise. And if they do, then we can have a conversation.

The clock will run out, and then the game will be over. Problem solved.

But no. Instead, the team that is down 42 points wants to continue to chuck 3s and call time outs. They want to continue to play, they just don’t want the other team to continue to play. Then they complain because the team that beat them down didn’t do it with their feelings in mind.

This generation of parents and coaches and kids man I can’t handle it. Play the game to the end, play hard and whatever happens between the lines happens. If you get beat down by 42 use it as motivation to get better not start a petition and a four-day sensitivity training seminar on how to deal with a blowout.

Rack him!

 

[Al SC]

Al SC, I like your post. Does your son coach @ Cape Central?

No he was a player last year in this area. They played them at the Dominic tourney.

 

[sikeston train]

So Al SC what do the people and players up in the area think of Sikeston and their style of play at the St Dominic tournament

 

[metro-dude]

You play to win the game. If overly matched you may slow it down but you still have to play to win. My son's team played Sikeston last year and we were not very good. They went up 17 after one quarter but then we won the next two quarters and really played a pretty good game. After that game we went on a pretty good streak.
The coach also got to see who was really the better players and started giving them more minutes.
I've coached for 20 years and I always learned more in losses than wins. You can't have many blowouts or you will lose your players but having one every once in a while I think helps more than it hurts.

So Al SC what do the people and players up in the area think of Sikeston and their style of play at the St Dominic tournament

Here are the scores of Sikeston's games @ St. Dominic and Zumwalt North tournaments from last year.

St. Dominic--Coaches vs Cancer

1-27-16----Sikeston 100--Lutheran St. Charles 68
1-28-16----Sikeston 80--Zumwalt West---------60-Zumwalt West has improved from from last season.
1-29-16----Sikeston 68--Zumwalt South--------61-Zumwalt South has improved from last season but so have the Sikeston Bulldogs.

Zumwalt North Tournament

1-23-17---Sikeston 76--Parkway North-------35
1-25-17---Sikeston 58--Troy---------------------28
1-27-17---Sikeston 72--Priory-------------------63

Sikeston has been very good and will be even better in 2017-18.

A question for the eagle ball-----Can we have " Clock Jobs " in Junior High basketball ? If so, what are the rules?

 

[msubearssuperfan1]

What East Newton did to Greenwood at the Pierce City tournament was disgraceful. Greenwood put its lower five in, but East Newton kept his starters in. They outscored Greenwood 18-0 in the fourth, all but two of those eighteen points were scored by the East Newton starters. When the other coach waves the white flag, you take your starters out.

 

[Al SC]

So Al SC what do the people and players up in the area think of Sikeston and their style of play at the St Dominic tournament

I can just speak of what I thought. The way they played against us was they started very hard but let up and let us get back into it. They came out in 4th quarter and showed what they could do. But to be honest while I was watching the game I thought they lacked the intensity to go all the way. But saying that we were somebody they probably took lightly and with the travel it was probably hard to get up for us.

I watched them on film though before we played and the local games they play are big time basketball and fun to watch. High intensity the entire game with both sides into it. I would like to see Thatch play against a worthy opponent as he only showed glimpses of what he could do. You see him on one trip down the court and you would be wowed but then you wouldn't notice he was out there for 3 or 4 minutes. I remember watching Larry Hughes and thinking the same thing.

 

[nwbearcat43]

I'd say the Mike Bibby-coached Shadow Mountain High School team in Phoenix, AZ probably wouldn't care for this thread much. Trapped/ran the break for 3 quarters, opened the game on a 40-0 run and were up 100-20 going into the 4th quarter.