Hearing whispers that MSHSAA is seriously considering going back to 5 Classes plus 8 man for Football.
Hearing whispers that MSHSAA is seriously considering.....
- Thread starter Mr Goldtooth
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This coming from the CLOWN that posted "Is it Time for JRod to retire?" Troll click bait again. LOL
Yep and I'm also the same clown that just recently posted that the COC & OC are in talks and it's true!
So the breaks...
| Current 5 break estimate | 1 - 138 (95) | 139 - 265 (87) | 266 - 514 (91) | 515 - 1019 (75) | 1020+ (71) | |
| Current Football break | 1 - 231 (63) | 232 - 363 (55) | 364 - 555 (53) | 556 - 960 (54) | 961 - 1346 (54) | 1347+ (32) |
What's your current 5 break estimate supposed to be? There aren't that many schools playing football. That a total number of schools?
If you take the current 311 11-man schools and divide by 5 equal classes that's 62 each class, one class has 63. I'm guessing they WON'T do that though. Although that presents an interesting football problem with more than 64 teams in a class.
Has any sport EVER gone backwards in classes? Meaning, once a sport has expanded has it ever gone back to a lower number of classes? I just don't think they'll do it
If you take the current 311 11-man schools and divide by 5 equal classes that's 62 each class, one class has 63. I'm guessing they WON'T do that though. Although that presents an interesting football problem with more than 64 teams in a class.
Has any sport EVER gone backwards in classes? Meaning, once a sport has expanded has it ever gone back to a lower number of classes? I just don't think they'll do it
I just grabbed the X County list. But the idea of going backwards sounds dumb as hell to me.
So with 62 per
Class 5
Class 5
| Blue Springs | 1878 | 1856 | 1783 | 1855 |
| Joplin | 1743 | 1722 | 1739 | 1649 |
| Blue Springs South | 1718 | 1666 | 1627 | 1562 |
| Lindbergh | 1694 | 1667 | 1680 | 1649 |
| Marquette | 1685 | 1768 | 1793 | 1784 |
| Liberty North | 1684 | 1662 | 1622 | 1496 |
| Troy Buchanan | 1613 | 1561 | 1459 | 1468 |
| Raymore-Peculiar | 1597 | 1501 | 1512 | 1460 |
| Hazelwood West | 1579 | 1629 | 1671 | 1559 |
| Nixa | 1508 | 1419 | 1357 | 1308 |
| Liberty | 1505 | 1438 | 1462 | 1427 |
| Lee's Summit North | 1491 | 1405 | 1380 | 1358 |
| Kickapoo | 1490 | 1526 | 1538 | 1451 |
| Pattonville | 1481 | 1438 | 1330 | 1319 |
| Hickman | 1479 | 1460 | 1361 | 1333 |
| Lee's Summit West | 1459 | 1517 | 1608 | 1598 |
| Rock Bridge | 1457 | 1458 | 1555 | 1506 |
| SLUH | 1440 | 1482 | 1414 | 2001 |
| Park Hill South | 1418 | 1370 | 1310 | 1219 |
| Rockhurst | 1416 | 1424 | 1408 | 2055 |
| Northwest (Cedar Hill) | 1400 | 1380 | 1389 | 1356 |
| Staley | 1396 | 1348 | 1303 | 1279 |
| Lee's Summit | 1391 | 1413 | 1356 | 1324 |
| Ozark | 1391 | 1356 | 1311 | 1277 |
| Ritenour | 1380 | 1290 | 1287 | 1279 |
| Park Hill | 1365 | 1390 | 1434 | 1519 |
| Kirkwood | 1349 | 1349 | 1357 | 1328 |
| Hazelwood Central | 1347 | 1394 | 1356 | 1361 |
| Seckman | 1347 | 1339 | 1283 | 1224 |
| Francis Howell | 1339 | 1381 | 1362 | 1364 |
| Ft. Zumwalt West | 1339 | 1393 | 1464 | 1427 |
| Oak Park | 1327 | 1232 | 1225 | 1201 |
| Fox | 1326 | 1287 | 1337 | 1292 |
| Jackson | 1322 | 1243 | 1223 | 1178 |
| Eureka | 1316 | 1293 | 1338 | 1277 |
| Oakville | 1303 | 1268 | 1286 | 1256 |
| Timberland | 1302 | 1359 | 1373 | 1367 |
| Francis Howell Central | 1295 | 1288 | 1389 | 1384 |
| Christian Brothers College | 1292 | 1226 | 1254 | 1634 |
| Francis Howell North | 1288 | 1306 | 1306 | 1272 |
| Central (St. Joseph) | 1278 | 1251 | 1276 | 1311 |
| Lafayette (Wildwood) | 1278 | 1319 | 1346 | 1351 |
| Waynesville | 1232 | 1152 | 1150 | 1208 |
| Liberty (Wentzville) | 1225 | 1185 | 1067 | 1017 |
| Truman | 1218 | 1157 | 1133 | 1166 |
| North Kansas City | 1211 | 1225 | 1198 | 1232 |
| Parkway South | 1210 | 1310 | 1284 | 1248 |
| Carthage | 1197 | 1140 | 1134 | 1100 |
| Battle | 1186 | 1201 | 1192 | 1108 |
| Central (Springfield) | 1157 | 1191 | 1186 | 1165 |
| Republic | 1154 | 1152 | 1117 | 1070 |
| Fort Osage | 1152 | 1118 | 1086 | 1105 |
| Raytown | 1122 | 1205 | 1100 | 1099 |
| Mehlville | 1111 | 1059 | 1061 | 1101 |
| Ft. Zumwalt North | 1110 | 1113 | 1147 | 1148 |
| Neosho | 1105 | 1056 | 984 | 937 |
| Lebanon | 1096 | 1079 | 1066 | 1006 |
| Smith-Cotton | 1093 | 1077 | 1114 | 1078 |
| Poplar Bluff | 1091 | 1107 | 1109 | 1121 |
| William Chrisman | 1081 | 1058 | 1012 | 1036 |
| Grain Valley | 1072 | 1081 | 1046 | 993 |
| Parkway West | 1070 | 1063 | 1050 | 1055 |
Class 4 Wow...works out GREAT for WEBB and Camdenton
| Raytown South | 1057 | 936 | 883 | 894 |
| Glendale | 1056 | 1059 | 1029 | 1051 |
| Capital City | 1046 | 1038 | 1094 | 710 |
| Ruskin | 1045 | 960 | 1000 | 955 |
| Branson | 1044 | 1048 | 1052 | 1060 |
| Belton | 1040 | 1102 | 1054 | 1021 |
| Holt | 1036 | 1301 | 1494 | 1371 |
| Camdenton | 1020 | 984 | 982 | 998 |
| Ft. Zumwalt South | 1013 | 1064 | 1020 | 1021 |
| Parkview | 1008 | 1055 | 1064 | 1054 |
| Willard | 1006 | 978 | 1001 | 1009 |
| Webster Groves | 1004 | 1056 | 1056 | 1026 |
| Riverview Gardens | 1002 | 884 | 903 | 891 |
| Platte County | 997 | 994 | 958 | 907 |
| Washington | 983 | 979 | 1093 | 969 |
| Rolla | 979 | 963 | 959 | 920 |
| Central (Cape Girardeau) | 977 | 957 | 917 | 937 |
| Webb City | 977 | 971 | 967 | 992 |
| Ladue Horton Watkins | 961 | 1001 | 1034 | 962 |
| Hazelwood East | 959 | 848 | 809 | 791 |
| Winnetonka | 952 | 872 | 862 | 883 |
| DeSmet | 950 | 1012 | 1010 | 1367 |
| Farmington | 932 | 900 | 919 | 910 |
| Ft. Zumwalt East | 931 | 926 | 939 | 983 |
| Rockwood Summit | 930 | 964 | 964 | 987 |
| Jefferson City | 914 | 905 | 1146 | 1433 |
| Parkway Central | 907 | 895 | 954 | 1000 |
| West Plains | 907 | 855 | 895 | 819 |
| McCluer | 904 | 913 | 937 | 749 |
| East (Kansas City) | 883 | 801 | 837 | 881 |
| St. Teresa's Academy | 878 | 954 | 904 | 1251 |
| Nerinx Hall | 868 | 834 | 744 | 1091 |
| Hillsboro | 867 | 860 | 839 | 843 |
| Lincoln College Prep | 851 | 775 | 663 | 612 |
| Kearney | 832 | 829 | 848 | 900 |
| Chaminade College Prep | 826 | 824 | 856 | 1183 |
| Cor Jesu Academy | 826 | 842 | 848 | 1161 |
| McCluer North | 822 | 878 | 908 | 1059 |
| Parkway North | 819 | 806 | 826 | 851 |
| Grandview | 817 | 842 | 893 | 942 |
| Hillcrest | 811 | 752 | 798 | 844 |
| St. Joseph's Academy | 804 | 752 | 744 | 972 |
| Hannibal | 802 | 803 | 773 | 769 |
| McDonald County | 789 | 798 | 805 | 835 |
| Vianney | 782 | 834 | 818 | 1180 |
| Union | 780 | 770 | 736 | 732 |
| Warrenton | 764 | 714 | 708 | 716 |
| Van Horn | 762 | 808 | 761 | 747 |
| Festus | 746 | 724 | 672 | 672 |
| Warrensburg | 737 | 718 | 707 | 714 |
| Carl Junction | 734 | 753 | 727 | 734 |
| Sikeston | 732 | 748 | 738 | 717 |
| St. Dominic | 722 | 645 | 599 | 702 |
| North Point HS | 713 | 668 | ||
| Pacific | 698 | 683 | 700 | 669 |
| Smithville | 694 | 696 | 682 | 674 |
| Bolivar | 682 | 673 | 664 | 589 |
| Windsor (Imperial) | 681 | 667 | 696 | 660 |
| DeSoto | 665 | 613 | 675 | 701 |
| Clayton | 664 | 673 | 682 | 695 |
| Marshfield | 660 | 676 | 673 | 702 |
| North County | 649 | 644 | 656 | 695 |
Class 3
Excelsior Springs gets to be the BIG BOYS of Class 3
Excelsior Springs gets to be the BIG BOYS of Class 3
Gateway | 645 | 697 | 693 | 706 |
| St. Charles | 613 | 600 | 610 | 613 |
| Kirksville | 595 | 549 | 537 | 566 |
| Nevada | 593 | 574 | 549 | 536 |
| Excelsior Springs | 588 | 595 | 558 | 589 |
| Monett | 579 | 540 | 580 | 563 |
| Marshall | 578 | 586 | 612 | 578 |
| Perryville | 570 | 534 | 541 | 538 |
| Center | 568 | 524 | 518 | 549 |
| Jennings | 567 | 579 | 536 | 512 |
| Affton | 562 | 566 | 577 | 589 |
| Harrisonville | 556 | 567 | 592 | 609 |
| Logan-Rogersville | 556 | 545 | 550 | 532 |
| Helias Catholic | 553 | 562 | 550 | 769 |
| Moberly | 551 | 555 | 555 | 555 |
| University City | 545 | 543 | 537 | 556 |
| Pleasant Hill | 539 | 524 | 505 | 491 |
| Lafayette (St. Joseph) | 536 | 578 | 577 | 592 |
| Mexico | 535 | 520 | 531 | 539 |
| St. Clair | 523 | 472 | 511 | 507 |
| Sullivan | 521 | 519 | 535 | 540 |
| Savannah | 516 | 507 | 529 | 524 |
| Benton | 515 | 520 | 517 | 545 |
| Reeds Spring | 505 | 465 | 435 | 436 |
| Westminster Christian Academy | 505 | 505 | 507 | 723 |
| Fulton | 503 | 511 | 523 | 531 |
| Potosi | 498 | 470 | 491 | 474 |
| St. Charles West | 497 | 481 | 530 | 503 |
| Osage | 496 | 478 | 469 | 445 |
| Northeast (Kansas City) HS | 494 | 455 | 490 | 491 |
| Odessa | 493 | 450 | 434 | 463 |
| MICDS | 481 | 462 | 467 | 640 |
| Clinton | 480 | 413 | 426 | 398 |
| Cassville | 479 | 471 | 430 | 441 |
| Central (Park Hills) | 474 | 458 | 451 | 468 |
| Normandy Collaborative | 474 | 479 | 476 | 522 |
| Visitation Academy | 468 | 452 | 444 | 619 |
| Chillicothe | 466 | 478 | 429 | 417 |
| Orchard Farm | 452 | 448 | 417 | 409 |
| Ursuline Academy | 452 | 498 | 518 | 727 |
| Fredericktown | 450 | 500 | 448 | 419 |
| Dexter | 448 | 427 | 456 | 427 |
| Eldon | 441 | 434 | 412 | 415 |
| Salem | 439 | 407 | 418 | 451 |
| Notre Dame de Sion | 436 | 418 | 462 | 705 |
| Wright City | 435 | 369 | 387 | 376 |
| KIPP St. Louis Sr. | 431 | 421 | 303 | 454 |
| Boonville | 428 | 410 | 411 | 427 |
| Vashon | 423 | 437 | 450 | 423 |
| Miller Career Academy | 421 | 349 | 350 | 418 |
| Bayless | 416 | 402 | 371 | 369 |
| Central (Kansas City) HS | 410 | 377 | 378 | 369 |
| Oak Grove | 410 | 413 | 449 | 462 |
| Southern Boone | 408 | 374 | 373 | 350 |
| Aurora | 407 | 415 | 396 | 390 |
| Owensville | 403 | 453 | 404 | 435 |
| Incarnate Word Academy | 398 | 474 | 466 | 692 |
| Buffalo | 393 | 393 | 372 | 378 |
| Cameron | 393 | 393 | 378 | 399 |
| St. James | 388 | 419 | 418 | 416 |
| Winfield | 387 | 358 | 364 | 356 |
| Ste. Genevieve | 384 | 397 | 430 | 454 |
With that breakdown probably not. WC is growing yes but you have to look at ALL the schools that they need to leapfrog as well as look below them because some schools will probably surpass Webb City. There are a lot that I see that I assume are probably outpacing Webb City in growth.
I can't decide if I like the status quo or this better for Carthage. They would be in a tough district with Nixa, Joplin, Kickapoo, and whoever else. Which is similar to their situation in other sports. Realistically they would probably never win a state championship. But they would probably have a better shot at playing past districts than they do now.
The only way it makes sense is if numbers keep falling and the smaller schools just can’t continue to field 11 man teams. I could see an overall drop in 11 man schools leading to only 5 classes.
What is the total # of 11 man teams compared to the early 2000's, when they went to 6 classes?
There is no significant drop in the last 20 years. In 2003, Missouri had 323 11-man teams. Today: 311
Personally they need to go to 16 team districts again for football. Make 3 to 4 team Districts. Keep the point system, bracket style. It least keeps things interesting during the year. Mainly to cut down on the geography, there are some stupidly big districts when you try to lump 8 teams together. Bring back sectionals and roll.
Wrong!
We need ONE team districts!! That way Everyone is a district champion!!!!!
Easy there, Joey. While I agree, this poster is a CLOWN, calling people that is MY thing. Get your own thing!
The dude is this picture definitely needs to be introduced to a Ms. Jenny Craig.
"The dude in this picture"!? You KNOW thats me!! And I dont need any introducing to Ms. Jenny Craig as IVE BEEN LOSING WEIGHT!!! NICE TRY!!!
I'm not one that thinks everyone deserves a trophy but the system from 1988 to 2008 I liked the 4 team setup and the current system's point and bracket system.
It would never happen but I would like a system that seeds say the top 8 overall across the state then maybe fill in by geography as best as possible from there.
I think many would agree go back to 5 classes; 1 private school class and 5 public school classes.
Yes Top...."whoa nelly" is your thing
Would be better off to keep 6 and make class 5 and 6 both 32 teams or class one and 6 - 48 teams each. No reason to go back to 5 yet.
What is the incentive or the advantage? No money to be made.
Unless you drop Privates and they join a multi-state Private Conference. For Example, Missouri/Kansas Private League. They could have three divisions.
Unless you drop Privates and they join a multi-state Private Conference. For Example, Missouri/Kansas Private League. They could have three divisions.
Blue Springs never cared, during the Donohoe tenure, about whether Rockhurst was private or not. They just lined up and played one classic after another so agree!
