Good old man with a gun caught on video
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What about the 8 year old shot by an 11 year old in Tennessee?
We can cite all the anecdotes we want - they don't matter. What matters is the aggregate picture. The bottom line is more guns do not make you or the people around you safer. They make you more likely to be a victim of gun violence because the average person is not good enough to use their gun correctly.
The number of times guns are used either in the commission of a violent crime, a suicide, or incorrectly in a nonthreatening situation is much, much higher than guns are used for safety in the US.
We can cite all the anecdotes we want - they don't matter. What matters is the aggregate picture. The bottom line is more guns do not make you or the people around you safer. They make you more likely to be a victim of gun violence because the average person is not good enough to use their gun correctly.
The number of times guns are used either in the commission of a violent crime, a suicide, or incorrectly in a nonthreatening situation is much, much higher than guns are used for safety in the US.
Where are the stats that say the average person is not good enough to use their gun correctly? How is that proven?
You cant possibly know that. How many times does a criminal decide not to rob a person because the person is in a concealed carry state and the criminal doesn't want to take the chance of trying to rob an old man who may be carrying a gun and has the will to use it?? How do you quantify that ??
I have a little sign on my front gate that says "Security by Winchester Repeating Arms Company,We don't call 911" Would a criminal rather try to get past my security sensors knowing good chance he is going to be met by force, or the next guy down the road??
Scholarly analysis of concealed carry (which was introduced on a state by state basis) doesn't show that it produced a statistically significant reduction in crime.
Its statistically significant to me if I am the intended victim.
Never ceases to amaze me that people want to blame law abiding gun owners for the actions of criminals. Someone has a gun in their possession during any crime put them in jail for 20 years first offense and life for a second offense a lot of gun violence would end
Odds are highly unlikely that I would ever have to use my gun. VERY unlikely. If I need to I would rather have it than wish I did. I don't get the disdain for somebody that wants to protect his wife and kids. I just don't get it. You have said before that a home intruder should not be killed because odds are likely they are not there to hurt you. When do you find out if they are there to hurt you? After you become a dateline NBC special?
You are sitting in a restaurant or a school room etc. and somebody kicks in the door and starts executing each person, one by one. Do you wish you had a way to defend yourself at that point? Do you wish somebody else in that room did?
Just don't get the target of law abiding citizens when its the ones who break the law that are committing these crimes.
The problem with these hypotheticals are that these aren't the only cases when guns get used. People use their guns wrongly all the time, even people whose intentions are good. The average gun is more likely to shoot someone the owner knows personally than a criminal.
Don't forget that a gun is just as likely to be used in a suicide as in a homicide, and the rate of success for a gun attempted suicide is much higher than other suicide attempts.
This is an unspoken part of our gun violence problem - our suicide rate could be a lot lower.
This is an unspoken part of our gun violence problem - our suicide rate could be a lot lower.
Suicide rate is a lot higher in England than here in the USA, and they have almost zero guns
. Over there just use they normally just use a short rope and a tall chair for suicide. Sad to say a good friend of mine from England literally fell on his sword almost two years ago to end his life. don't need a gun at all to end your life
. Over there just use they normally just use a short rope and a tall chair for suicide. Sad to say a good friend of mine from England literally fell on his sword almost two years ago to end his life. don't need a gun at all to end your life
That is an OVER spoken part of this conversation. While it may fall into mental health, we are referring to those who take OTHERS lives.
Signs are cheaper than full blown security systems. Why not give bad guys something to think about before they drive up the lane??
Right, gun accidents happen. I get that. Those who have a gun in house are more likely to have a gun accident. Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that out. Considering if no guns are present you would have zero gun accidents.
You do not address any of those hypotheticals that DO happen. You see them in the news everyday. So I ask again.
You are sitting in a restaurant or a school room etc. and somebody kicks in the door and starts executing each person, one by one. Do you wish you had a way to defend yourself at that point? Do you wish somebody else in that room did?
Suicide is higher in Japan, too. That's not terribly relevant because it is a cultural difference. The rate at which people attempt suicide is not related to guns.
What matters is that people with access to firearms are more successful in their suicide attempts. Your anecdotes are nice and all but they are totally unsupported by data. The average American, Brit, etc. who attempts suicide by other means is less successful in their attempts.
Because the hypotheticals are meaningless on their own. They are one in a million scenarios that ignore the other 999,999/1,000,000 events.
It's like saying would you take cancer treatment if you knew your cancer would go away on its own. Of course you wouldn't. But, you don't know that is going to happen - all you know is the weight of the evidence, which suggests the other course of action is a better outcome for the average case.
Having no gun in your house or possession increases your life expectancy and the life expectancy of those around you.
Because your wife and kids are more likely to be killed because you own a gun! If you claim to want to protect them, you would get rid of the guns.
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I am not saying the data doesnt support your argument, we have regressed as a populous in being able to protect ourselves.
I will say however, i have personally used a firearm to protect my wife and kids, and was darn glad i had it. Must be something about an 870 Remington shucking in the night that makes people want no part of you.
I am sure you have researched the data and due to the loss of rural people, the city slickers cant cut the mustard. I understand.
At my house, there will be firearms, just as generations before, with no "accidents" .
My mom, home alone at night with three kids, while my dad was working emptied her old .38 S&W into a truckfull of men that came to our house harassing her. I remember showing people the bullet holes in the screen door
My brother in law went ape shat and scared the hell out of my sister and their kids. My dad got so angry he loaded his pistol and was headed out the door toward his truck until I pretty much tackled him and made him leave the weapon home. Easy access to guns is dangerous for a huge portion of the population. It can escalate situations into deadly encounters that don't need to be. THAT happens much more often than self defense.
If I ever move to webb city, I'm gonna need to know where you and your family live.
OMG just shut up. Anyone who really thinks that more guns are the answer to our problem must admit they are part of the problem. Big talk but how many good guys with a gun are going to win the shootout. Just don't believe anyone can come up with stats that show more guns would help lower the number of mass killings.
Number one cause of gun homicide: firearms used in an argument according to fbi data
Or you accidentally shoot someone you know, or someone uses it stupidly when drunk, or it gets stolen and is used in the commission of a crime, it is used improperly as a defense weapon in a situation where there is no real need for self defense, etc.
The rate of random crime in most of America is incredibly low. The idea that the average person needs a gun to protect themselves is silly when you live in the places the average board poster lives in.
This is part of how a gun is dangerous for you and your family - you can escalate a situation where no harm was coming to you.
Again. Those cases are rare as well when talking about the number of gun owners. And those people that use it when drunk etc. are not responsible gun owners.
I've said it before. I live at the minimum of 20 minutes from an officer reaching my door. That is from the Sheriffs mouth. Unless we are lucky of-course(officer in area etc). I live in a relatively peaceful area. But we have had problems in the past. This area also has a meth problem. To think I have to wait that long for help if some drugged up meth head is in my house.....yeah no thanks.
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