GO CHIEFS...........
- Thread starter wc3peat
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Wish i was on the couch to see it instead of on radio catchin bits and pieces when im in the truck
Brad Johnson (2002), Trent Dilfer (2000), Tom Brady (Pre-greatness, 2001-2004), Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Peyton Manning (Last year only), Eli Manning (2X)
What do these QBs have in common? All were average to above average, not never truly great QBs that won Super Bowls since 2000. It truly comes down to a teams ability to run the football and play defense to win Super Bowls. Chiefs can do those both and Smith showed signs last year of being a QB that can win games late. Did last Sunday. Don't always drink the ESPN kool aid. Yes great QB play wins games, but doesn't always mean a Super Bowl win. Look at Aaron Rodgers. He has been arguably the most talented QB (arm talent, accuracy, ability) in the NFL, but he has only played in 1 Super Bowl. Smash mouth, physical football wins championships at all levels. So don't rule the Chiefs out with Alex Smith...
What do these QBs have in common? All were average to above average, not never truly great QBs that won Super Bowls since 2000. It truly comes down to a teams ability to run the football and play defense to win Super Bowls. Chiefs can do those both and Smith showed signs last year of being a QB that can win games late. Did last Sunday. Don't always drink the ESPN kool aid. Yes great QB play wins games, but doesn't always mean a Super Bowl win. Look at Aaron Rodgers. He has been arguably the most talented QB (arm talent, accuracy, ability) in the NFL, but he has only played in 1 Super Bowl. Smash mouth, physical football wins championships at all levels. So don't rule the Chiefs out with Alex Smith...
Your heart is truly behind your team, can not argue with that.
Touché
It's more about not buying into needing an elite, superstar QB to win a Super Bowl like most sports networks want you to believe. You still have to have a quarterback that can do some things at the end of games, but doesn't have to be on the level of Rodgers or Brady all the time. Smith may not be the answer, but I would take him over most quarterbacks in the league right now.
My point against Alex Smith is ...
He's only an above average NFL QB.
On other words if conditions are right, he will win the game for you with a little help from his Defense.
An Elite QB on the other hand will put you down by three scores and see if you can come back from it week after week after week.
Not saying that the Chiefs absolutely can not win a Super Bowl with Alex Smith.
Am saying it will take a monumental effort from "every" player though to make it happen.
Some of those teams have all-time great defenses. The chiefs do not. Yes Alex is an okay QB to take a talented team to the playoffs, but what has his record been against top tier teams? He has lacked the "it" factor to win in big games. Please excuse me for saying the Houston playoff win last year was not against an elite team. I agree that a top teir QB doesn't guarantee a SB win, a lot of things have to be on your side to win a 'ship.
The below list shows QB SuperBowl starts, sorted by total number of starts. Look at this list and tell me the percentage of these that are/will not be HOF quarterbacks. Again, the QB's you mentioned are exceptions to the majority because of other specific variables that those teams really exceled in vs the rest of the league. I don't see that with the Chiefs, sorry.
6 Tom Brady 4–2 New England Patriots - XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLII, XLVI, XLIX
5 John Elway 2–3 Denver Broncos - XXI, XXII, XXIV, XXXII, XXXIII
4 Terry Bradshaw 4–0 Pittsburgh Steelers - IX, X, XIII, XIV
Joe Montana 4–0 San Francisco 49ers - XVI, XIX, XXIII, XXIV
Roger Staubach 2–2 Dallas Cowboys - VI, X, XII, XIII
Peyton Manning* 2-2 Indianapolis Colts - XLI, XLIV; Denver Broncos - XLVIII, 50
Jim Kelly 0–4 Buffalo Bills - XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII
3 Troy Aikman 3–0 Dallas Cowboys - XXVII, XXVIII, XXX
Bob Griese 2–1 Miami Dolphins - VI, VII, VIII
Ben Roethlisberger 2–1 Pittsburgh Steelers - XL, XLIII, XLV
Kurt Warner 1–2 St. Louis Rams - XXXIV, XXXVI; Arizona Cardinals - XLIII
Fran Tarkenton 0–3 Minnesota Vikings - VIII, IX, XI
2 Bart Starr 2–0 Green Bay Packers - I, II
Jim Plunkett 2–0 Oakland/L.A. Raiders - XV, XVIII
Eli Manning 2–0 New York Giants - XLII, XLVI
Len Dawson 1–1 Kansas City Chiefs - I, IV
Joe Theismann 1–1 Washington Redskins - XVII, XVIII
Brett Favre 1–1 Green Bay Packers - XXXI, XXXII
Russell Wilson 1–1 Seattle Seahawks - XLVIII, XLIX
The only QB's above that will not be in the HOF are Jim Plunkett and J. Theismann, with a TBD on Russell Wilson.
It is SO EASY to prove oneself correct when saying "I can't" or "they can't" - the chances of any team winning SB is small, then to pick one team and say "they can't" - maybe it is NOT because of QB, maybe it is O Coordinator, WR, O-Line, etc. or heaven forbid the D can NOT stop Brady and the Pat's (like that has never happened to really good teams) Maybe it is the D coord, the D line, etc. etc Sorry but the Old adage, "we win as a team and loose as a team" will hold true FOREVER. Brady near always has a solid D, Rothlisbooger has excellent run game (and 1 supa Sar WR) MANning won when he had outstanding Run game and a D playing out there nose, then the last one was near ALL the D. (ps: I loved MANning) Warner- outstanding WR's and when needed a D that got just enough done. . Head Coach & QB almost ALWAYS gets to much credit or to much blame. CHIEFS could have one of 27, 28 other QB's Romo, RG-3..injuries a game, or the 25 teams that start guys A Smith is BETTER THAN. You look at Win/Loss % and smith is right there with Brees, Romo and yes even Eli Manning -
Not to be nitpicky but I believe the wins you are referring to are Super Bowl wins.
The Mannings and Elways and Brees and Brady's etc. win games and make it to the Super Bowl.
KC did as well in the first Super Bowl against Green Bay which I watched "live" on black and white television.
And no they did not do it with just a QB.
Kansas City doesnt have an Elite D? Ranked 3rd last year in total Defense. I think gave up first rushing TD in what game 10 or something like that. Agreed looked horrible to start the game looked damn good second half. And the CHIEFS had 0 defensive scores. Smith threw for two ran for one and Ware had a rushing TD. 34-48 363 yards and 2 TDs,,HMM wonder what QB wouldnt take those numbers? Rivers on the other hand 25-36 for 243 yards..
Smith 34-48 363 2 tds 1 int 1 rushing TD
Big ben 27-37 300 3 tds 1 int
Wilson 27-43 258 1 td 1 int
Rodgers 20-34 198 2 Tds
Look this up and check this out, I know based alot on stats but...
Ranking Chiefs Alex Smith vs the other starting QBs...
Smith 34-48 363 2 tds 1 int 1 rushing TD
Big ben 27-37 300 3 tds 1 int
Wilson 27-43 258 1 td 1 int
Rodgers 20-34 198 2 Tds
Look this up and check this out, I know based alot on stats but...
Ranking Chiefs Alex Smith vs the other starting QBs...
Could care less about the Chiefs, I am just saying that you don't need an elite QB to win a Super Bowl, but you do have to have the ability to run the ball and play outstanding defense. That was the purpose really from the beginning, but oh well...This obviously is a no win argument with those who will defend their team to the end no matter what.
Good luck to you...
'Peat - Every year you forecast the Chiefs to be division champs, win 10-12 games. In your opinion, given they have a elite QB and defense, what has been keeping them from making it to the next level (winning playoff games)?
2015 11-5 didnt make the playoffs Denver 12-4
2014 9-7
2013 11-5 lost wild card at Indy 45-40
5-6 Pro Bowlers every year. Alex has a record in 4 years in KC of 31-16. The previous 4 years our record was 23-41. His numbers arent OMG but with 63 passing TDS and 5 rushing he also ony has 21 turnovers. Is he a throw for 350 every game guy, well no, but he has proven like this past weekend he can be. Might be a jinx I have no idea but we have had many number one Defenses and GREAT QBs like Green and Motana and the best record in Football a few times and not won crap. Who can answer, I just know we have the talent most years to be very competitve and thats a hell of a lot better than being a fan of a team lets say like Cleveland.
I can remember feeling great about a 8-8 season.
As time moved forward though, so did my expectations.
Yeah had typed at KC -7 and at Denver +16 . not sure what happened to that line..Although I didnt expect last weekend to play out the way it did I think Alex showed hes a winner, personal opinion though, he always has been. First three quarters he was 15 of 22 for 180 yrds and 1 td. 4th quarter and OT he was 20 of 26 for 183 yards and 2 tds. Dudes a baller who makes very few mistakes. Sometimes even with just a mediocre Defense thats good enough to win. With players like D Johnson, Hali and Houston, Berry, Peters, and Poe I think our D is anything but mediocre. In 2015 we ranked second in giveaway/takeaway and 2nd in interceptions with 22, our offense was first in giveaways with only turning the ball over 15 times..The CHIEFS very easily could have has the home field throughout the playoffs, a horrible game and 1 point loss vs Chicago and the shock of Charles going down first quarter combined with a 6 point loss at Minny gave Denver all they needed. I think had we beat New England second round 27-20 lossat NE we would have pounded Denver again. Our pass rush was on point and Manning would have gotten thumped unlike what New England or Carolina threw at him. Just personal opion until it happens though thats all I have an opinion..
I completely agree with all of your points. Too bad they had a rough one yesterday, they were due to lose there.
I thought Denver would take a step back this year, and KC or Oakland would finally win the division. Still super early of course, but doesn't appear that way.
I thought the Donkeys were going to be in trouble losing Ossweiler looks like they might be fortunate instead. Siemian, next man up looks legit..Having me as a fan this season seems to be causing butterfingers. WEBB CITY and the CHIEFS
New England 27, Houston 0. The Patriots with their third string QB. Would be worried if I were a big Chiefs fan.
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I am probably in the minority big time among Chiefs fans but my expectations, after what I saw in preseason, are not very high. The schedule looks "favorable" in places but overall I think this team has some serious issues (O Line in particular) to solve before even thinking playoffs.
Agreed... Plus the D really misses Justin Houston !
The Patriots seem to always excel without Brady, makes you wonder if he would have been worth a darn outside of N.E.
When they change the rules back to the way they were in 1982, I will watch the NFL again. Until then, I'm not fond of watching a glorified 7 on 7 flag game, with 50% too many illegal contact calls and pass interference calls.
Man, you've missed a lot the past 34 years. Surprised you'd even still be interested in this football board.
Seriously, liking football and then giving it up for 35-50% of your life....that's definitely taking a stance.
Can't join your cause, but in a show of support:
D-Linemen lives matter!!!!
Seriously, liking football and then giving it up for 35-50% of your life....that's definitely taking a stance.
Can't join your cause, but in a show of support:
D-Linemen lives matter!!!!
It's not real football. They should call it QB Pass n Play. A good remedial sissy name.
