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The U.S. reported almost 4.22 million new coronavirus cases in August alone, making it the fourth-worst month for infections. And 26,805 Americans died of COVID-19, more than three times the July total. The last week of August was deadlier than all of July.

At the latest pace, an American is dying of COVID every 1 minute, 5 seconds. Every minute, another 111 Americans are testing positive, nearly two per second. Compared to the last week of July, there were 105% more cases and 268% more deaths in the final week of August.

Among the states with their worst month ever for cases: Alabama, Florida, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oregon and Washington, in addition to the U.S. Virgin Islands:

  • Hawaii's cases grew by 232% compared to its previous highest month.
  • Louisiana saw 62% more cases.
  • Mississippi had 49% more cases in August than the previous worst month.
  • Oregon was 47% worse.
Meanwhile, Florida reported its worst month of deaths in the pandemic, reaching 4,900 fatalities in August.
 
I fully prepared to be attacked for this but here we go. This is truly sad. Anytime a life is lost. I am not making light of that. But it has already been proven time and time again that these numbers are completely falsified. My grandpa died of leukemia. He could not fight the flu off because of it. He did not get listed from dying from the flu. It was leukemia. They are listing every death as covid now. I personally know families that were forced to get a loved one test after they already passed just to see if they had covid. Even if that was clearly not the reason this person died in a car wreck. If you can honestly sit there are believe that every other illness disappeared and everything is covid now then I don't know what to say.
 
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Very true. My dad died in '92. His death certificate listed "cancer from smoking". His cancer began as prostate cancer and spread. The medical community has an agenda on reporting causes of deaths, especially when there are multiple contributing factors.

The reporting of outbreaks are a good indication though.
 
I fully prepared to be attacked for this but here we go. This is truly sad. Anytime a life is lost. I am not making light of that. But it has already been proven time and time again that these numbers are completely falsified. My grandpa died of leukemia. He could not fight the flu off because of it. He did not get listed from dying from the flu. It was leukemia. They are listing every death as covid now. I personally know families that were forced to get a loved one test after they already passed just to see if they had covid. Even if that was clearly not the reason this person died in a car wreck. If you can honestly sit there are believe that every other illness disappeared and everything is covid now then I don't know what to say.
How many of the covid deaths reported would NOT have happened at this time had they NOT got covid? Underlying conditions is one of the things they stress when telling people they should think very hard about getting the vaccine.
 
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My response is the Delta virus is worse....numbers are going up....and they will eventually come down. Most people will be fine and a small percentage will die....It's a virus it does what it does. Life goes on and must go on. Do what is best for you and yours and live your life to the fullest.

And yes they list a lot of deaths as Covid when a underlying factor caused the death. It jacks up the numbers....it's more of the BS that I talk about from those in charge. Follow the Money folks .....Follow the Money. And for those who want to Believe the propaganda and take up the cause with anxiety and fear do so with vim and vigar I support your right to allow this to consume your time and effect your emotional state.....But please leave the rest of us out of it and let us enjoy life. It's to short to waste on worrying about the Covid and who is Vaxed and Masked.
 
My response is the Delta virus is worse....numbers are going up....and they will eventually come down. Most people will be fine and a small percentage will die....It's a virus it does what it does. Life goes on and must go on. Do what is best for you and yours and live your life to the fullest.

And yes they list a lot of deaths as Covid when a underlying factor caused the death. It jacks up the numbers....it's more of the BS that I talk about from those in charge. Follow the Money folks .....Follow the Money. And for those who want to Believe the propaganda and take up the cause with anxiety and fear do so with vim and vigar I support your right to allow this to consume your time and effect your emotional state.....But please leave the rest of us out of it and let us enjoy life. It's to short to waste on worrying about the Covid and who is Vaxed and Masked.
MANY people with underlying conditions would still be alive today had they not got covid! Why would you hang their death on something they LIVED with for YEARS?!!!
 
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But they did get Covid....just like people get the Flu and die from underlying issues because their systems are stressed. Most people with underlying issues contribute to those underlying issues with their lifestyles..... Many people would of survived a lot of things if they didn't have underlying issues that taxed their health system. So I don't really see your point other than you think people have some right to not have any risk or consequences for their lifestyles.

Nothing is going to halt this virus from doing what virus's do. If you get the vax you have done your part. Those who don't get the vax can die from their choices if they are not healthy enough to survive. Why can't you respect their right to live free?
 
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But they did get Covid....just like people get the Flu and die from underlying issues because their systems are stressed. Most people with underlying issues contribute to those underlying issues with their lifestyles..... Many people would of survived a lot of things if they didn't have underlying issues that taxed their health system. So I don't really see your point other than you think people have some right to not have any risk or consequences for their lifestyles.

Nothing is going to halt this virus from doing what virus's do. If you get the vax you have done your part. Those who don't get the vax can die from their choices if they are not healthy enough to survive. Why can't you respect their right to live free?
We got rid of polio and the measles because a whole lotta folks bought in and got the shots. Now we have measles trying to make a come back because of the anti vax folks.
 
We got rid of polio and the measles because a whole lotta folks bought in and got the shots. Now we have measles trying to make a come back because of the anti vax folks.
Those are not Virus....that cross from Animals to humans. A lot of differences in how they operate Measles only happens in humans it has remained pretty much unchanged because of this and it has had no need to change to infect it's host. C19 is more Akin to the common cold......Polio and the measles are not a Corona Virus that is why the can be eradicated by Vaxing. Come on you have to have had some basic knowledge that Polio is not spread by airborne droplets as well. This was taught in basic high school biology or science class. Polio is spread by eating or drinking some of their stool. Measles is highly contagious and if unvaxed or not had it and developed a natural immunity you have near a 90% chance of contacting it if you are around a person who is infected.

If you think that we can eradicate the C19 by everyone getting vaxed then you don't understand how this works.

And again if the Measles makes a comeback it will only effect those who are unvaxed ,it is their choice to live how they want to and to take that risk. SO why do you care? You are safe from the Measles. You are safe from Polio and pretty much safe from C19. I just can't figure out why you are so heck bent on forcing people to take the Vax....shouldn't it be your body your choice? Do you believe in Freedom? Individual rights or are you a full on Control freak who can't stand anyone not doing what you feel is right?
 
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Here is something interesting....why is the USPS basically exempt? Probably don't want to buck the Union or have a Walk out and upset the average joe.

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2...ee-approach-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/185277/

And Employers with less than a 100 are also exempt! That means a lot of local business that have a lot of personal contact with people on a daily bases don't need to have anyone vaxed. But let's say a factory worker that rarely is around the public at work have to. EX. order doesn't even seemed to be based on logic.

Maybe big pharm needs to move some unused vaccine and forcing big companies to do so will use up those supplies. Maybe they can poke all the criminals crossing the border with that stock. And leave true American Citizens alone and let them live free.
 
The anti vax folks went "all in" and can't change their minds now, no matter how much evidence is presented to the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine.
That could be true but according to this poll....take it or leave it..... it shows that the country is split down the Middle on a Vaccines Mandate.


I think the difference though is the whole Mandate issue. Forcing people against their will to subject their body to a vaccine no matter how safe or effective is fundamental wrong. Those who are vaxed are safe.
 
Those are not Virus....that cross from Animals to humans. A lot of differences in how they operate Measles only happens in humans it has remained pretty much unchanged because of this and it has had no need to change to infect it's host. C19 is more Akin to the common cold......Polio and the measles are not a Corona Virus that is why the can be eradicated by Vaxing. Come on you have to have had some basic knowledge that Polio is not spread by airborne droplets as well. This was taught in basic high school biology or science class. Polio is spread by eating or drinking some of their stool. Measles is highly contagious and if unvaxed or not had it and developed a natural immunity you have near a 90% chance of contacting it if you are around a person who is infected.

If you think that we can eradicate the C19 by everyone getting vaxed then you don't understand how this works.

And again if the Measles makes a comeback it will only effect those who are unvaxed ,it is their choice to live how they want to and to take that risk. SO why do you care? You are safe from the Measles. You are safe from Polio and pretty much safe from C19. I just can't figure out why you are so heck bent on forcing people to take the Vax....shouldn't it be your body your choice? Do you believe in Freedom? Individual rights or are you a full on Control freak who can't stand anyone not doing what you feel is right?
You still don't understand that if we had got to the "herd immunity" YOU talked about so much when this started hospitals would not be overrun with covid patients to the point they can't help others who need help badly. Not to mention had we got there we would most likely not have this variant that DOES affect kids too. Off let it keep going so strong in the population the variants will keep coming and keep getting worse.
 
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First off all heard immunity would be easier to achieve if no one was vaccinated because those who developed natural anti-bodies would in theory have better and longer protection, that was the premise of my heard immunity post's. Secondly those who couldn't develop immunity would be weeded out. That has generally been the way virus of this type have been dealt with. Thirdly vaccine heard immunity is probably a pipe dream at best for a Corona virus because it's very suspect on the duration of time that immunity last from the vaccine.

Also all virus mutate and they mutate at a different rate, the flu mutates at a rapid rate that is why we need a new flu vax every year. The Corona mutates at a slower rate. And yes a increased vax rate will slow mutations and variants, but it will by no means be 100% effective.




But with that said forcing Vaccination upon people is the height of personal rights infringement. I don't often agree with Ole Nancy but she is 100% right on this.

Again what you don't get is that a large portion of America even many who are already vaxed, truly support the constitution and the Rights of their fellow citizens to not have to inject a substance into their bodies against their will.

The consequences and effects be D'md....Liberty over life and Freedom First. I and near half the population of America are 100% willing to live with the effects of a huge population of unvaxed and unmasked individuals and to take the so small and minimal risk of their actions. That is the only moral thing to do. Mine and others individual rights as a person comes before your and others right to impose you Moral authority upon other citizens.

Again you don't understand I don't care if others choose to not get vaxed and it causes a uptick in cases or deaths. I've did all I can to protect mine .....by getting vaxed. If a person rolls snake eyes and dies like My cousin and some of my friends it is sad and depressing but death finds us all some day.

Because Life has risks and complications. And no one is guaranteed to die old and surrounded by loved ones. People die every day from a variety of self inflicted diseases or accidents. Death by C19/Delta is no different, no more preventable and no more tragic than many other deaths.

You clearly don't understand or can't even fathom the core principles of America and what it was founded upon. So it is no surprise you have zero issue with taking away or forcing your vile will and desires upon others.
 
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First off all heard immunity would be easier to achieve if no one was vaccinated because those who developed natural anti-bodies would in theory have better and longer protection, that was the premise of my heard immunity post's. Secondly those who couldn't develop immunity would be weeded out. That has generally been the way virus of this type have been dealt with. Thirdly vaccine heard immunity is probably a pipe dream at best for a Corona virus because it's very suspect on the duration of time that immunity last from the vaccine.

Also all virus mutate and they mutate at a different rate, the flu mutates at a rapid rate that is why we need a new flu vax every year. The Corona mutates at a slower rate. And yes a increased vax rate will slow mutations and variants, but it will by no means be 100% effective.




But with that said forcing Vaccination upon people is the height of personal rights infringement. I don't often agree with Ole Nancy but she is 100% right on this.

Again what you don't get is that a large portion of America even many who are already vaxed, truly support the constitution and the Rights of their fellow citizens to not have to inject a substance into their bodies against their will.

The consequences and effects be D'md....Liberty over life and Freedom First. I and near half the population of America are 100% willing to live with the effects of a huge population of unvaxed and unmasked individuals and to take the so small and minimal risk of their actions. That is the only moral thing to do. Mine and others individual rights as a person comes before your and others right to impose you Moral authority upon other citizens.

Again you don't understand I don't care if others choose to not get vaxed and it causes a uptick in cases or deaths. I've did all I can to protect mine .....by getting vaxed. If a person rolls snake eyes and dies like My cousin and some of my friends it is sad and depressing but death finds us all some day.

Because Life has risks and complications. And no one is guaranteed to die old and surrounded by loved ones. People die every day from a variety of self inflicted diseases or accidents. Death by C19/Delta is no different, no more preventable and no more tragic than many other deaths.

You clearly don't understand or can't even fathom the core principles of America and what it was founded upon. So it is no surprise you have zero issue with taking away or forcing your vile will and desires upon other
First off all heard immunity would be easier to achieve if no one was vaccinated because those who developed natural anti-bodies would in theory have better and longer protection, that was the premise of my heard immunity post's. Secondly those who couldn't develop immunity would be weeded out. That has generally been the way virus of this type have been dealt with. Thirdly vaccine heard immunity is probably a pipe dream at best for a Corona virus because it's very suspect on the duration of time that immunity last from the vaccine.

Also all virus mutate and they mutate at a different rate, the flu mutates at a rapid rate that is why we need a new flu vax every year. The Corona mutates at a slower rate. And yes a increased vax rate will slow mutations and variants, but it will by no means be 100% effective.




But with that said forcing Vaccination upon people is the height of personal rights infringement. I don't often agree with Ole Nancy but she is 100% right on this.

Again what you don't get is that a large portion of America even many who are already vaxed, truly support the constitution and the Rights of their fellow citizens to not have to inject a substance into their bodies against their will.

The consequences and effects be D'md....Liberty over life and Freedom First. I and near half the population of America are 100% willing to live with the effects of a huge population of unvaxed and unmasked individuals and to take the so small and minimal risk of their actions. That is the only moral thing to do. Mine and others individual rights as a person comes before your and others right to impose you Moral authority upon other citizens.

Again you don't understand I don't care if others choose to not get vaxed and it causes a uptick in cases or deaths. I've did all I can to protect mine .....by getting vaxed. If a person rolls snake eyes and dies like My cousin and some of my friends it is sad and depressing but death finds us all some day.

Because Life has risks and complications. And no one is guaranteed to die old and surrounded by loved ones. People die every day from a variety of self inflicted diseases or accidents. Death by C19/Delta is no different, no more preventable and no more tragic than many other deaths.

You clearly don't understand or can't even fathom the core principles of America and what it was founded upon. So it is no surprise you have zero issue with taking away or forcing your vile will and desires upon others.
You have lost your ever lovin mind?!!! How dare you come on here and talk about human beings being "weeded out" if they couldn't develop immunity!! If you ever had any credibility you just lost it!
 
Clearly you don't get how nature and viruses work on a macro scale. Eventually mother nature will out pace our science. Evolution is a on going process and a Female dog of a problem. Sometimes the Circle of life and living within that circle is best for the human race as a whole.

You see the inevitable weeding out process going on now, those with morbidity issues are those most effected and dying from Covid. I guess you live in a bubble and are not around Death or end of life issues very much. So you are over emotional about such things, which is a theme with you.

I'll give you the hard truth of the matter because it's pretty clear you live a pretty sheltered life and probably always have. Living your life through Media Sound bites and propaganda and really thinking you know about the world. So I'll clue you in.

I deal with Children who are brutalized emotionally, sexually, and physically on a daily bases. Through no fault of their own, children who are now so scarred and traumatized and they will never be right because they are broken, and despite the propaganda most are unfixable.

Many of those who we have treated have committed suicide, or went on to brutalize others in the same fashion actually taking pleasure in the pain they inflict, and few even have killed other children often their own siblings. Most without remorse. I go to work actually trying to help those who can't help themselves.

Sure we deal with a bunch of Punks and Thugs as well who are just indoctrinated by the culture they live in to behave in a unacceptable manner, but those are not the kids we truly desire to fix. We do well them.....the other not so much. That is the harsh reality of the real world. Not unlike the harsh reality of trying to beat a virus that can and will mutate till the end of time.

So Do you think that I'm going to get over emotional about how the Nature of viruses work and have worked since the dawn of time? Do you even think that I'm going to gin up and get worked up because people make their own choices and decide to not vax and they die from it, a choice and right they are afforded by the great freedom we are given in this country? Do you think I'm going to waste sympathy on people who abuse their bodies for decades with poor diets,drugs, smoking and booze and lead a over indulgence lifestyle and then get a Disease and it shortens their life?

No I'm not, people die every day and that is how it is. Life is not fair and no amount of Petty Fascism is ever going to change or engineer a perfect life for people. And it shouldn't, is a long unsatisfying life worth living? I think not. Some of the very things that lead to morbidity issues are the very things that make life worth living, but in the end the bill must be payed.

And I really find is humorous that you think I give 2 cents about your opinion about my credibility. Now that is some deep insight into how much of a self centered personality you have. You really think your opinion has any value at all. And your statement somehow gives your opinion more value and credibility. That is a hoot.

P.S. I don't think My opinion has any more value or worth than yours it's just a BS online opinion like yours.
 
First off all heard immunity would be easier to achieve if no one was vaccinated because those who developed natural anti-bodies would in theory have better and longer protection, that was the premise of my heard immunity post's. Secondly those who couldn't develop immunity would be weeded out. That has generally been the way virus of this type have been dealt with. Thirdly vaccine heard immunity is probably a pipe dream at best for a Corona virus because it's very suspect on the duration of time that immunity last from the vaccine.

Also all virus mutate and they mutate at a different rate, the flu mutates at a rapid rate that is why we need a new flu vax every year. The Corona mutates at a slower rate. And yes a increased vax rate will slow mutations and variants, but it will by no means be 100% effective.




But with that said forcing Vaccination upon people is the height of personal rights infringement. I don't often agree with Ole Nancy but she is 100% right on this.

Again what you don't get is that a large portion of America even many who are already vaxed, truly support the constitution and the Rights of their fellow citizens to not have to inject a substance into their bodies against their will.

The consequences and effects be D'md....Liberty over life and Freedom First. I and near half the population of America are 100% willing to live with the effects of a huge population of unvaxed and unmasked individuals and to take the so small and minimal risk of their actions. That is the only moral thing to do. Mine and others individual rights as a person comes before your and others right to impose you Moral authority upon other citizens.

Again you don't understand I don't care if others choose to not get vaxed and it causes a uptick in cases or deaths. I've did all I can to protect mine .....by getting vaxed. If a person rolls snake eyes and dies like My cousin and some of my friends it is sad and depressing but death finds us all some day.

Because Life has risks and complications. And no one is guaranteed to die old and surrounded by loved ones. People die every day from a variety of self inflicted diseases or accidents. Death by C19/Delta is no different, no more preventable and no more tragic than many other deaths.

You clearly don't understand or can't even fathom the core principles of America and what it was founded upon. So it is no surprise you have zero issue with taking away or forcing your vile will and desires upon other
First off all heard immunity would be easier to achieve if no one was vaccinated because those who developed natural anti-bodies would in theory have better and longer protection, that was the premise of my heard immunity post's. Secondly those who couldn't develop immunity would be weeded out. That has generally been the way virus of this type have been dealt with. Thirdly vaccine heard immunity is probably a pipe dream at best for a Corona virus because it's very suspect on the duration of time that immunity last from the vaccine.

Also all virus mutate and they mutate at a different rate, the flu mutates at a rapid rate that is why we need a new flu vax every year. The Corona mutates at a slower rate. And yes a increased vax rate will slow mutations and variants, but it will by no means be 100% effective.




But with that said forcing Vaccination upon people is the height of personal rights infringement. I don't often agree with Ole Nancy but she is 100% right on this.

Again what you don't get is that a large portion of America even many who are already vaxed, truly support the constitution and the Rights of their fellow citizens to not have to inject a substance into their bodies against their will.

The consequences and effects be D'md....Liberty over life and Freedom First. I and near half the population of America are 100% willing to live with the effects of a huge population of unvaxed and unmasked individuals and to take the so small and minimal risk of their actions. That is the only moral thing to do. Mine and others individual rights as a person comes before your and others right to impose you Moral authority upon other citizens.

Again you don't understand I don't care if others choose to not get vaxed and it causes a uptick in cases or deaths. I've did all I can to protect mine .....by getting vaxed. If a person rolls snake eyes and dies like My cousin and some of my friends it is sad and depressing but death finds us all some day.

Because Life has risks and complications. And no one is guaranteed to die old and surrounded by loved ones. People die every day from a variety of self inflicted diseases or accidents. Death by C19/Delta is no different, no more preventable and no more tragic than many other deaths.

You clearly don't understand or can't even fathom the core principles of America and what it was founded upon. So it is no surprise you have zero issue with taking away or forcing your vile will and desires upon others.
You have lost your ever lovin mind! How dare you come on here and talk about human beings being "weeded out" if they couldn't develop immunit
Clearly you don't get how nature and viruses work on a macro scale. Eventually mother nature will out pace our science. Evolution is a on going process and a Female dog of a problem. Sometimes the Circle of life and living within that circle is best for the human race as a whole.

You see the inevitable weeding out process going on now, those with morbidity issues are those most effected and dying from Covid. I guess you live in a bubble and are not around Death or end of life issues very much. So you are over emotional about such things, which is a theme with you.

I'll give you the hard truth of the matter because it's pretty clear you live a pretty sheltered life and probably always have. Living your life through Media Sound bites and propaganda and really thinking you know about the world. So I'll clue you in.

I deal with Children who are brutalized emotionally, sexually, and physically on a daily bases. Through no fault of their own, children who are now so scarred and traumatized and they will never be right because they are broken, and despite the propaganda most are unfixable.

Many of those who we have treated have committed suicide, or went on to brutalize others in the same fashion actually taking pleasure in the pain they inflict, and few even have killed other children often their own siblings. Most without remorse. I go to work actually trying to help those who can't help themselves.

Sure we deal with a bunch of Punks and Thugs as well who are just indoctrinated by the culture they live in to behave in a unacceptable manner, but those are not the kids we truly desire to fix. We do well them.....the other not so much. That is the harsh reality of the real world. Not unlike the harsh reality of trying to beat a virus that can and will mutate till the end of time.

So Do you think that I'm going to get over emotional about how the Nature of viruses work and have worked since the dawn of time? Do you even think that I'm going to gin up and get worked up because people make their own choices and decide to not vax and they die from it, a choice and right they are afforded by the great freedom we are given in this country? Do you think I'm going to waste sympathy on people who abuse their bodies for decades with poor diets,drugs, smoking and booze and lead a over indulgence lifestyle and then get a Disease and it shortens their life?

No I'm not, people die every day and that is how it is. Life is not fair and no amount of Petty Fascism is ever going to change or engineer a perfect life for people. And it shouldn't, is a long unsatisfying life worth living? I think not. Some of the very things that lead to morbidity issues are the very things that make life worth living, but in the end the bill must be payed.

And I really find is humorous that you think I give 2 cents about your opinion about my credibility. Now that is some deep insight into how much of a self centered personality you have. You really think your opinion has any value at all. And your statement somehow gives your opinion more value and credibility. That is a hoot.

P.S. I don't think My opinion has any more value or worth than yours it's just a BS online opinion like yours.
This is preventable PERIOD! Sure some people will die but it didn't have to be on this scale. I'm quite sure I ain't the only one that thinks your statement was disgusting.
 
This is preventable PERIOD! Sure some people will die but it didn't have to be on this scale. I'm quite sure I ain't the only one that thinks your statement was disgusting.
Stop replying to him. This may be the only place he gets any attention
 
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This is preventable PERIOD! Sure some people will die but it didn't have to be on this scale. I'm quite sure I ain't the only one that thinks your statement was disgusting.
A lot of deaths are preventable. People have the right and freedom to make bad decisions. It's not the Governments job to force and control people into wise and sound decisions. That is what you don't understand or can't seem to come to grips with.

And the truth is often not handled well and many want to pretend and or twist the harsh reality of life.

I really don't care if others thought my statement was disgusting, it was spot on how mother nature works and how through out recorded history plagues have been overcome. When you are talking and discussing the human race on a macro scale you cannot take a myopic emotional personal view point of the situation and inject those feelings into the analysis.

Of course I don't want anyone to die from C19 if I could wave a magic wand and eradicate it I could. But that is not going to happen.

No matter how much you want to force, coerce and control others into making a different decision that is not going to happen and shouldn't happen because that is more horrid than the disease. To take away a person's freedom of choice over his/her own body is beyond the pale of evil. .., and wasting emotional energy on it is basically a waste of time.
 
That could be true but according to this poll....take it or leave it..... it shows that the country is split down the Middle on a Vaccines Mandate.


I think the difference though is the whole Mandate issue. Forcing people against their will to subject their body to a vaccine no matter how safe or effective is fundamental wrong. Those who are vaxed are safe.
I got in line for the vaccine as soon as I was eligible, BUT I dont think you can actually determine if it is safe since its only been a year since the population started receiving it. It will be many years before any long term data is available. Let people do what they want. If they die they die its their choice
 
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A lot of deaths are preventable. People have the right and freedom to make bad decisions. It's not the Governments job to force and control people into wise and sound decisions. That is what you don't understand or can't seem to come to grips with.

And the truth is often not handled well and many want to pretend and or twist the harsh reality of life.

I really don't care if others thought my statement was disgusting, it was spot on how mother nature works and how through out recorded history plagues have been overcome. When you are talking and discussing the human race on a macro scale you cannot take a myopic emotional personal view point of the situation and inject those feelings into the analysis.

Of course I don't want anyone to die from C19 if I could wave a magic wand and eradicate it I could. But that is not going to happen.

No matter how much you want to force, coerce and control others into making a different decision that is not going to happen and shouldn't happen because that is more horrid than the disease. To take away a person's freedom of choice over his/her own body is beyond the pale of evil. .., and wasting emotional energy on it is basically a waste of time.
LOTS of people are dying from the bad decisions of others. The harsh reality is that 1 in 500 Americans have died with covid. Who knows how many would not have died if others would just get vaccinated, not just the ones that died. If they don't think the vaccine works then why is it that over 90% of the seriously ill and deaths these days are unvaccinated people?
Correction I realized I said 1 in 5 and I should have said 1 in 500 died of covid.
 
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I got in line for the vaccine as soon as I was eligible, BUT I dont think you can actually determine if it is safe since its only been a year since the population started receiving it. It will be many years before any long term data is available. Let people do what they want. If they die they die its their choice
Almost everyone I know has gotten the vaccine and I've given the facts to many of my friends and they have chosen to receive it.....but you are 100% correct let people live their life as they see fit.
 
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LOTS of people are dying from the bad decisions of others. The harsh reality is that 1 in 5 Americans have died with covid. Who knows how many would not have died if others would just get vaccinated, not just the ones that died. If they don't think the vaccine works then why is it that over 90% of the seriously ill and deaths these days are unvaccinated people?
You said it WHO KNOWS who would not have died.....well not very many in fact almost zero because what you posted 90% of the deaths and serious illness are from the unvaccinated and the CDC data even further backs that.

Clearly the Data and Facts prove that the only people at risk from this illness and dying are those Who Choose as is their Right to not get vaccinated. You seem to have some Logic disconnect on how this works. The Vaccinated are not at Risk from the unvaccinated. The Unvaccinated are at risk from other unvaxed people and From Vaccinated people who have Breakthrough cases. The Unvaxed are not wandering around and Killing the Vaccinated. Is that not clear from the Data??? Also from those who are vaccinated and die....almost all of them have morbidity issues, so their Lifestyle did them. And I 100% support anyone living how ever they want, smoke, booze it up, eat what ever you want it's your life.



..... And less than 700 thousand deaths out of a population of 330 million....You might want to check your math on the 1 and 5. I'm not a math whiz either so I understand so not going to be to harsh but the truth is it's 1 and 500 American's who have died from Covid.

I do understand you though you are a Controlling and anti-personal freedom personality. You want everyone to fall in line with your moral belief's and to do what you want them to for their own good because you feel you know better. You can't comprehend that others have a different view point and moral belief system and if they would only see your way of thinking they would be better off, so you want Big Brother Gov. to use force to do what you believe is right.
 
Almost everyone I know has gotten the vaccine and I've given the facts to many of my friends and they have chosen to receive it.....but you are 100% correct let people live their life as they see fit.
...even though it endangers the lives of others.
 
I guess I've missed anyone in charge of anything questioning the efficacy of the vaccine. Many have said they thought the booster for everyone was going to happen. The FDA nixed that then voted to allow it for 65 and over or immuno compromised folks.
 
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I don’t get this and I am not angling or looking for an argument. Just being truthful.

President Biden said, "We must now protect the vaccinated workers from the unvaccinated workers."
 
...even though it endangers the lives of others.
A lot of freedoms endanger lives. And the risk of not being vaccinated and infecting a vaccinated person is very very low. Driving endangers lives. Producing food with carcinogen's endanger lives but it is allowed. Pollution from producing energy endangers lives. The list is long......
 
A lot of freedoms endanger lives. And the risk of not being vaccinated and infecting a vaccinated person is very very low. Driving endangers lives. Producing food with carcinogen's endanger lives but it is allowed. Pollution from producing energy endangers lives. The list is long......

And there are also safety parameters for all of those things as they are not unfettered.
 
And there are also safety parameters for all of those things as they are not unfettered.
Are not Mask's and Getting Vax's safety parameters.....90%+ of those who are effected are unvaxed by choice. The vaxed are safe.
 
Are not Mask's and Getting Vax's safety parameters.....90%+ of those who are effected are unvaxed by choice. The vaxed are safe.

I guess the big difference is that for those other things they have the force of law behind them, whereas that isn't exactly the case with the Covid safety parameters.
 
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