Final....... Joplin (28) @ West Plains (26)!!!!!!!
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West Plains penalized for second sideline warning.
WP connects for a first down to their own 28 on a hitch and pitch. 50 seconds to play.
WP connects for a first down to their own 28 on a hitch and pitch. 50 seconds to play.
5 yard completion on first down.
Incomplete on second down.
Screen completed on third down for a first down with 33 secs left on WP 37 yard line.
Incomplete on second down.
Screen completed on third down for a first down with 33 secs left on WP 37 yard line.
Incomplete pass on first down.
QB scramble to the 45. Late hit on the Eagles.
Zizzers have it at the Joplin 40 with 13.8 to play.
QB scramble to the 45. Late hit on the Eagles.
Zizzers have it at the Joplin 40 with 13.8 to play.
Incomplete pass
9.5 to play. West Plains getting tons of plays in final minute.
Second and 10 - thrown out of bounds with 2.5 left.
9.5 to play. West Plains getting tons of plays in final minute.
Second and 10 - thrown out of bounds with 2.5 left.
Hail Mary pass batted away. Joplin wins 28-26
Forges a three way tie for first place in the OC between Joplin, WP, and Camdenton.
WP has the tie breaker win over Cam
Joplin has the tie breaker win over WP
But if I'm correct, I believe Joplin still has to play Camdenton.
Should make for an interesting finish in the OC. Could see WP winning out and Cam beating Joplin which would mean WP would win the OC.
West Plains still has Lebanon next week too and that game is always a doozy.
We're over halfway through the regular season ladies and gentlemen.
WP has the tie breaker win over Cam
Joplin has the tie breaker win over WP
But if I'm correct, I believe Joplin still has to play Camdenton.
Should make for an interesting finish in the OC. Could see WP winning out and Cam beating Joplin which would mean WP would win the OC.
West Plains still has Lebanon next week too and that game is always a doozy.
We're over halfway through the regular season ladies and gentlemen.
Good for the conference to have all this parity. Should be a good finish.
Good for Joplin. Would be an incredible exit from the Ozark if they can find a way to win the conference.
I've never heard that and I've been following the Ozark Conference since 2002
I take that back, West Plains and Camdenton "shared" the Ozark Conference Championship in 2014, even though West Plains defeated Camdenton. So, I guess if you want to get technical with it, then "there's no tiebreakers", though it was a pretty common consensus that WP were the conference champs that year.
Webb Ciy and Nixa were "co-champs" several years back because their game was not included in confence standings even though WC won big both teams were considered undefeated in conference.
This result last night only makes the district standings tighter. With the head to head win West Plains would swap with Camdenton is they finish one spot ahead but it is now possible for Camdenton to finish 2nd and West Plains 4. CJ is 4th now with the Carthage game looming but if they win out by 13+ I think they would jump WP because of the W/L record of upcoming opponents.
West Plains still has a matchup with Kickapoo looming as well, they could get some major points with a win there since Kickapoo is Class 6. Their loss to Joplin last night didn't help, but the fact that Joplin is 4-1 and the fact that West Plains get 20 points automatically for playing up two classes helps as well. May sound weird, but WP should still be alright when everything shakes out. The remainder of their schedule is C5, C6, C5, and C4. I believe the remaining records they face(as of now) is 3-2,1-4,1-4, and 3-2. But as was previously stated in another thread, none of the OC get help from strength of schedule since the conference always ends .500 due to the number of conference games. The way it looks now, it looks as if it will be an OC matchup in one semi and a COC-L matchup in the other semi. All teams state ranked. WP could very well fall out of the rankings this week(not that they truly mean anything), but I wouldn't be shocked to see WP fall out of the rankings, but Camdenton still remain ranked even though they lost to WP.
Playing a Class 6 team (20 extra points) equates to an extra 2.22 in the overall rating. Of course, Webb City and Carl Junction (and Camdenton) are earning an extra 10 points for playing a Class 5 team (1.11 extra in the overall rating). West Plains' remaining opponents total 40 extra points for playing up, but so does Webb City's last four foes. So the Zizzers have no edge over the Cardinals. Carl Junction has 30 extra points coming in their final four games. Which means West Plains has an extra 1.11 over CJ the rest of the way that nobody can change.
Summary: playing a class 6 team doesn't get you "major points", unless you consider 1.11 "major". However, in the grand scheme of things this could make all the difference between hosting a district semifinal or taking a 3 hour bus ride.
In addition, when a Class 4 beats a Class 5 by 13 or more, that's better than beating a Class 6 by 7 or less (in the formula).
I have a hard time following all these points and ratings. Does this mean the West Plains loss doesn't help CJ?
West Plains needs to lose again for CJ to pass them probably.
A loss is worse than winning of course. But if that loss is to a team two classes higher than you it doesn't hurt as bad.
Your rating is better by winning, playing up, outscoring your opponent by more points (up to 13), your opponents' having a good combined record, and even having an opponent who lost in overtime (MSHSAA treats those like half a win).
West Plains doesn't necessarily have to lose again for CJ to pass them, but CJ would need to win out and win their games by nice margins (+13) and hope several West Plains wins are by narrow amounts of less than 13.
Your rating is better by winning, playing up, outscoring your opponent by more points (up to 13), your opponents' having a good combined record, and even having an opponent who lost in overtime (MSHSAA treats those like half a win).
West Plains doesn't necessarily have to lose again for CJ to pass them, but CJ would need to win out and win their games by nice margins (+13) and hope several West Plains wins are by narrow amounts of less than 13.
Remaining Schedules
Carl Junction:
Class 5 Carthage
Class 5 Willard
Class ? Pittsburg, KS
Class 5 Nixa
West Plains:
Class 5 Lebanon
Class 6 Kickapoo
Class 5 Parkview
Class 4 Rolla
Camdenton:
Class 4 Rolla
Class 5 Waynesville
Class 6 Joplin
Class 5 Glendale
Webb City:
Class 5 Nixa
Class 5 Ozark
Class 5 Neosho w/ Neosho Christian
Class 5 Branson
Carl Junction:
Class 5 Carthage
Class 5 Willard
Class ? Pittsburg, KS
Class 5 Nixa
West Plains:
Class 5 Lebanon
Class 6 Kickapoo
Class 5 Parkview
Class 4 Rolla
Camdenton:
Class 4 Rolla
Class 5 Waynesville
Class 6 Joplin
Class 5 Glendale
Webb City:
Class 5 Nixa
Class 5 Ozark
Class 5 Neosho w/ Neosho Christian
Class 5 Branson
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They dropped last cycle, I didn't notice until this year either, because they're in that district with St. Clair and some of those St. Louis area schools
Mister-Wizard I think a 3 point win over a class 6 is the same as a 13 point win over a class 5.
There are so many possibilities that it is easier to look at potential points like for example IF Camdenton and West Plains both win out by 13+ then Camdenton will be roughly a point higher than WP however they will swap because of their head to head.
As far as top potential points the most a team can have is 117...winning each game by 13. Divide that number by 9 and that is how much that contributes to that part of the score.
CJ has 91 potential points, West Plains has 90 and Camdenton 103.
Both WP and Camdenton have an extra 10 points divided by 9 for playing up one more class. That is 1.11 points in the final formula.
Now here is where CJ makes up some if not possibly all of that ground. Since WP and Camdenton play a conference schedule their opponents record us going to be .500.
The COC teams all play one non-conference game. So far the COC is 5-0 in those games and if CJ wins and Ozark beats Bolivar the COC will go 9-0. I haven't crunched those numbers but if the difference comes up more than 1.2 points then CJ could jump WP and if it is more than about 2.2 then they could jump Camdenton as well.
Now having said all that CJ would have beat both Pittsburg and Carthage by 13+ to get max points and that won't be easy.
There are so many possibilities that it is easier to look at potential points like for example IF Camdenton and West Plains both win out by 13+ then Camdenton will be roughly a point higher than WP however they will swap because of their head to head.
As far as top potential points the most a team can have is 117...winning each game by 13. Divide that number by 9 and that is how much that contributes to that part of the score.
CJ has 91 potential points, West Plains has 90 and Camdenton 103.
Both WP and Camdenton have an extra 10 points divided by 9 for playing up one more class. That is 1.11 points in the final formula.
Now here is where CJ makes up some if not possibly all of that ground. Since WP and Camdenton play a conference schedule their opponents record us going to be .500.
The COC teams all play one non-conference game. So far the COC is 5-0 in those games and if CJ wins and Ozark beats Bolivar the COC will go 9-0. I haven't crunched those numbers but if the difference comes up more than 1.2 points then CJ could jump WP and if it is more than about 2.2 then they could jump Camdenton as well.
Now having said all that CJ would have beat both Pittsburg and Carthage by 13+ to get max points and that won't be easy.
By the way overtime games can complicate the SOS component since a losing team gets more points for an overtime loss. So if Ozark or COC games go into OT it is actually better than one team winning and another losing in regulation. IMO pretty stupid but it could play a factor.
CJ needs Flint 222 to pick Carthage and Pittsburg and they should have no trouble winning by 14.
You are correct with your first sentence (and you helped me to correct a copy/paste issue in my district tracking spreadsheet).
I don't disagree with anything else in your post either. BIG challenge for CJ this week with Carthage, and trying to win in a few weeks at Pittsburg will be tough for the Bulldogs too.
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