Final college football rankings....
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tOSU
TCU
Bama
Oregon
Bama looked better against OSU than Oregon did. TCU may still jump them.
FSU probably isn't a top 10 team but will be about 6. I'd love to have played them.
TCU
Bama
Oregon
Bama looked better against OSU than Oregon did. TCU may still jump them.
FSU probably isn't a top 10 team but will be about 6. I'd love to have played them.
lol
"I'd love to have played them"
Again, what position do you play?
It would be funny to see Mizzou try to line up with FSU. FSU dropped the ball literally and figuratively against Oregon in the second half. It happens.
Let me get this straight you really think Mizzou could play/beat FSU?
I can't stand Mizzou or Mizzou people. But the Tigers could hang with this year's version of FSU, and I don't even think a Mizzou win would be considered a monumental upset.
Missouri wasn't as good as FSU this year, period.
But, Oklahoma wasn't as good as a lot of teams this year, Missouri included. So you have that.
But, Oklahoma wasn't as good as a lot of teams this year, Missouri included. So you have that.
I don't know if Mizzou was as good as FSU this year, but to say we couldn't hang or even beat them when NC St., Ok. St., Clemson, ND, Louisville, Miami, BC, and UF all hung with FSU (and truthfully a few should've beat FSU) is absurd. Mizzou was a good team this year and I agree with mitchell, I wouldn't have been surprised if they played and Mizzou won.
Playing what if's is fun. Fact is nobody but Oregon beat them. You say they should have won? Based on what? FSU outplayed all of those teams in the second half. They were a second half team no doubt. Sign of being inexperienced. Clemson was without Winston BTW.
They may have played well with FSU, beat is a stretch.
Fact is Mizzou lost to Indiana, a not good team. They were shalacked by Georgia.
Facts are inconvenient for those living in the world of what ifs. Any one of those teams are better than Indiana, and a few may be better than Mizzou.
But keep living in the world of what if's
Again, who were the quality wins by MU?
I don't disagree with any of that. I was speaking more to Veer's comment on how he would have loved to see Missouri play FSU this year. I'm not so sure he would have loved it when they met on the field though it is possible that Missouri would win.
Oklahoma and Kansas hung with TCU. Oklahoma probably should have beat them but at the end of the day TCU was a much better team as evident against Ole Miss.
I always hesitate to say a team can't hang with or beat another team. That is a ridiculously easy statement to disprove.
Have to ask why is Oregon TCU and FCU all over Bama?
Bama was just a play or two away from either tying or beating Oregon?
OSU, Bama, Oregon, TCU are the top 4.
Bama was just a play or two away from either tying or beating Oregon?
OSU, Bama, Oregon, TCU are the top 4.
Bama lost to Ohio St, not Oregon though it was closer. Then again Ohio St played Bama in New Orleans.
Bama has 2 losses. TCU lost one game, at Baylor in a nail baiter and housed the team that beat Bama.
FSU over Bama is tougher but again 1 loss vs 2. FSU has one win over a top 10 team. Bama actually has none. FSU and Bama are a coin toss to me though.
Hiding behind the "what if" game? No one is playing that game. Fact: 9 teams nearly beat FSU this year and a 10th team spanked them. Fact: Mizzou was as good as many of those teams on that schedule, if not better. Reasonable conclusion: It is possible that Mizzou could have played with or beaten FSU this year.
Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech this year too. Teams improve over the course of the year. Mizzou certainly did. Many of those teams are better than Virginia Tech too. Does that mean a few may be better than Mizzou?
Quality wins: Toledo, UCF (maybe), USC (maybe, beat a mighty ACC team in a bowl game), Texas A&M, Tennessee, Ark, and Minnesota.
By the way, SOS for Mizzou: ESPN, 23; Team Rankings, 23; Sagarin, 10;
FSU: ESPN, 26; Team Rankings, 27; Sagarin, 21;
Tenn would have beaten OU handily if they'd played later in the year. Heck boomer needed a 99 yard INT return to beat them when they weren't that good.
Would beating the OU name make it a good win?
BTW
The actual AP final rankings were:
1. Ohio St
2. TCU
3 Oregon
4. Bama
5. Michigan St
6. FSU
I still don't think an 11-2 Michigan St team should be over a 13-1 FSU team even if FSU had a 2nd half meltdown because regardless it was just one loss though I guess you can justify it saying the Mich St game was closer in the end.
ESPN's way too early top 5 for next year
1. TCU
2. Ohio St
3. Baylor
4. USC
5. Oregon
I think they are missing the boat on Oregon. They will still be good but if USC is really that good than Oregon minus Mariotta will lose at least a couple games. They have to go to Michigan St for starters.
The actual AP final rankings were:
1. Ohio St
2. TCU
3 Oregon
4. Bama
5. Michigan St
6. FSU
I still don't think an 11-2 Michigan St team should be over a 13-1 FSU team even if FSU had a 2nd half meltdown because regardless it was just one loss though I guess you can justify it saying the Mich St game was closer in the end.
ESPN's way too early top 5 for next year
1. TCU
2. Ohio St
3. Baylor
4. USC
5. Oregon
I think they are missing the boat on Oregon. They will still be good but if USC is really that good than Oregon minus Mariotta will lose at least a couple games. They have to go to Michigan St for starters.
Worley was a terrible QB. The new guy makes them a completely different(and better) team.
But you knew that.
And it was a 100 yard INT return .
Gonna be fun watching that game next year.
I could have asked you the same thing. Mine is just subjective...my "quality" is going to be different than what you consider "quality". I went throughout the season and said i was impressed by some of Mizzou wins. Despite Arkansas being 7-6 or whatever they were...it was a quality win considering how Arkansas was playing at the time. UCF and Toledo were not "quality" by my standard. South Carolina...most years is a quality win. Not this year.
No...just because you beat someone doesn't make them a good win. Virginia Tech beat Ohio State...does that mean that everybody that beat Va Tech making it a quality win?....No.
But thats just my opinion. If you want to consider Tennessee a quality win...then by all means, go for it. I just can't agree with it
Don't care whether FSU is ahead or behind TCU, found this funny though.
Overreaction: FSU should have been left out of the playoff.
Why: This became a popular opinion after the Seminoles lost to Oregon 59-20 in the Rose Bowl. But the idea that an undefeated team from a Power 5 conference should have been left out of the playoff because a blowout proves it was undeserving is laughable. Let's start with the most important point: Florida State won all of its games before the playoff began. Contrary to popular belief, the Noles actually played a good schedule. Nine of their opponents made bowl games -- all of them with the Power 5 designation. Those nine teams went 6-3 in their bowl games. Compare that to TCU, which played seven bowl teams. Those seven teams went 1-6 in their bowl games. Florida State ended up playing two teams ranked in the final top 15; TCU played one. Florida State played three ranked teams in the final poll; TCU played two. The Noles needed their backup quarterback to beat 10-win Clemson, which destroyed Oklahoma in the bowl game. Ask the SEC how easy it was to beat Georgia Tech in 2014. These points alone prove that Florida State played a better schedule. But critics want to complain that Florida State played too many close games and never really passed the eye test. That when the Noles played an elite team like Oregon, they fell apart and therefore showed they never beat anybody good. These are all specious arguments. Yes, Florida State played close games. But the last time I checked, Florida State WON all of those games. Since when is blowing out every opponent proof that you are more deserving? Last I checked, Oregon blew out nearly everybody on its schedule but ended up losing by 22 in the national championship game. That blowout is forgiven, but Florida State's was held up as a cautionary tale for future unbeaten Power 5 teams that win too many close games? Bottom line: Florida State absolutely deserved its spot in the playoff. No logical case can be made otherwise.
Overreaction: FSU should have been left out of the playoff.
Why: This became a popular opinion after the Seminoles lost to Oregon 59-20 in the Rose Bowl. But the idea that an undefeated team from a Power 5 conference should have been left out of the playoff because a blowout proves it was undeserving is laughable. Let's start with the most important point: Florida State won all of its games before the playoff began. Contrary to popular belief, the Noles actually played a good schedule. Nine of their opponents made bowl games -- all of them with the Power 5 designation. Those nine teams went 6-3 in their bowl games. Compare that to TCU, which played seven bowl teams. Those seven teams went 1-6 in their bowl games. Florida State ended up playing two teams ranked in the final top 15; TCU played one. Florida State played three ranked teams in the final poll; TCU played two. The Noles needed their backup quarterback to beat 10-win Clemson, which destroyed Oklahoma in the bowl game. Ask the SEC how easy it was to beat Georgia Tech in 2014. These points alone prove that Florida State played a better schedule. But critics want to complain that Florida State played too many close games and never really passed the eye test. That when the Noles played an elite team like Oregon, they fell apart and therefore showed they never beat anybody good. These are all specious arguments. Yes, Florida State played close games. But the last time I checked, Florida State WON all of those games. Since when is blowing out every opponent proof that you are more deserving? Last I checked, Oregon blew out nearly everybody on its schedule but ended up losing by 22 in the national championship game. That blowout is forgiven, but Florida State's was held up as a cautionary tale for future unbeaten Power 5 teams that win too many close games? Bottom line: Florida State absolutely deserved its spot in the playoff. No logical case can be made otherwise.
I agree. FSU was not just undefeated but also the defending champ. IMO regardless of where they were seeded they were the most deserving team of being in the playoff going in.
Ohio St obviously proved that they should have been in. With 20/20 hindsight I think it was actaully Bama that looks like the team that should have been left out based on TCU did to Ole Miss. 20/20 hindsight because I don't think anyone would have even suggested that a 1-loss SEC champ be left out of the play-off which given the SECs run the last 10 years is understandable.
Bottom line is I think 5 teams deserved to be in the playoff this time. Next year it might be 3 teams and a 4th gets thrown in, or maybe it is 6.
As for TCU next year they only lose about 3 starters on each side of the ball. They return a ton.
