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Fewest combined points in a HS boys varsity basketball game

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nwlions

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Last night Fort Zumwalt South defeated Eureka 24-15. Easily the lowest combined score I've ever seen and almost certainly the first time I've seen one team (let alone, two) held under 25 without a turbo clock.

Wondering what you have seen on the low scoring end.
 
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TadQueasy said:
we gotta get a shot clock in MO.
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A shot clock wouldn't have mattered here. There were few long possessions--just a lot of missed shots and turnovers.

I'm not necessarily against a shot clock, but I see major logistical problems. Many schools are struggling for money and that would be a major expense (and probably rewiring in older gyms). In addition, one more table person would be needed per game to run the shot clock.
 
Other states have found a way to make it happen.

It may have not been the issue in this game, but it is an issue in games. Stall ball.

Just my opinion on the matter.
 
TadQueasy said:
Other states have found a way to make it happen.

It may have not been the issue in this game, but it is an issue in games. Stall ball.

Just my opinion on the matter.
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According to the Post-Dispatch website, South shot 8-for-26, including 0-for-6 from behind the arc. Eureka was 6-for-50, including missing all 21 three-point attempts.
 
You don't need wiring any longer to do shot clock. Was at a team camp in Arkansas this past summer and they used bluetooth and kids at score table did it on their phones. Expense of installing is no longer a viable excuse, now finding people to work it and probably having to go to 3 man officiating crews are valid reasons with expense, but it would still make basketball better without changing most games a whole lot.
 
February 10th, 1984
"Mentor Vs. Mentee, Round 2"
@ Falcon Court - Glendale HS

Kickapoo(8-13) - 14
Vs.
Glendale(16-6) - 25

Chiefs - 2 0 0 12
Falcons - 4 2 2 16

Scoring for KHS: (2FG, FT, Fouls)
Tim O'Reilly 2 (1, -, 2)
Dick Rippee 2 (1, -, 2)
John Felton 2 (1, -, 2)
Rodney Combs 8 (1, 0/1, 2)
Terry Nunn - (-, -, 1)
Todd Edwards - (-, -, 1)
Brian Mahaffey - (-, -, 1)
Bruce Scheiderer - (-, -, 1)
Pat Bauer - (-, -, 2)

Scoring for GHS: (2FG, FT, Fouls)
John Greene 1 (0, 1/2, 1)
Kent Roach 2 (0, 2/3, 1)
Curt Brand 2 (1, 0/2, 2)
Mike Hair 8 (2, 4/7, 1)
Kurt Brockman 8 (2, 4/5, 1)
Randy Mills 4 (2, -, -)

KHS:
Head Coach - Roy Green
Free Throws: 0/1 (.0%)
Field Goals: 7
Fouls: 15

GHS:
Head Coach - Jack Roberts
Free Throws: 11/19 (.5789%)
Field Goals: 7
Fouls: 6

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Back in the mid 70's when Bud Lathrop was at Ray-South and he used to run the alley-cat delay game I remember a game between Ray-South and one of the KCK schools....maybe Ward or Miege....that ended up 6-4 when the KCK school came out stalling(Ray-South was a power and it was probably considered their best chance to beat the Cards). It ticked Bud off and when South got possession he then went into a stall. Someone else may correct me or emember it in more detail.
 
wahoolives said:
You don't need wiring any longer to do shot clock. Was at a team camp in Arkansas this past summer and they used bluetooth and kids at score table did it on their phones. Expense of installing is no longer a viable excuse, now finding people to work it and probably having to go to 3 man officiating crews are valid reasons with expense, but it would still make basketball better without changing most games a whole lot.
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You don't have 3 refs for HS games over there?
 
There was almost no stalling. The two teams combined shot 14-for-76, including 0% on 3-pointers. Not sure that a shot clock would have changed anything, except forced more bad shots.
 
nwlions said:
According to the Post-Dispatch website, South shot 8-for-26, including 0-for-6 from behind the arc. Eureka was 6-for-50, including missing all 21 three-point attempts.
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TadQueasy said:
6 for 50 is something alright. Sounds like a middle school girls game
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When I was a head girls basketball coach in the early eighties at Santa Fe, we won a game in five overtimes at Hardin Central and shot 17% from the field. Final score was 25- 23 in 5 overtimes.

It goes without saying that was my last year of coaching girls basketball.
 
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wahoolives said:
Most regular season games at least for small school in SW Missouri are still 2 man crews.
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A lot of the small schools here in SEMO area use 2. I just came home from the Twin Rivers Tournament which has 16 girl's teams in it and they use 2 refs until the the last night of the tourney I think. I've never decided that 3 is better than 2 anyway. I was at JUCO game at Mineral Area College early this season and one of the refs there told me they're experimenting with 4 refs in some HS games now. I don't see any way that's gonna fly, neither HS nor Jucos can afford that. I hear there is a shortage of refs now, how the heck can they get enough to have 4?
 
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wahoolives said:
You don't need wiring any longer to do shot clock. Was at a team camp in Arkansas this past summer and they used bluetooth and kids at score table did it on their phones. Expense of installing is no longer a viable excuse, now finding people to work it and probably having to go to 3 man officiating crews are valid reasons with expense, but it would still make basketball better without changing most games a whole lot.
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Do any Varsity Boys games not have a 3 man crew anymore?
 
witnessed a 28-16 game last night. Shot clock would have not made a difference in the score...
 
3Rfan said:
A lot of the small schools here in SEMO area use 2. I just came home from the Twin Rivers Tournament which has 16 girl's teams in it and they use 2 refs until the the last night of the tourney I think. I've never decided that 3 is better than 2 anyway. I was at JUCO game at Mineral Area College early this season and one of the refs there told me they're experimenting with 4 refs in some HS games now. I don't see any way that's gonna fly, neither HS nor Jucos can afford that. I hear there is a shortage of refs now, how the heck can they get enough to have 4?
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Yeah no way that flies.

Personally I think 2 man crew is best. They have a better understanding of what there areas are and make better calls IMO.
 
TadQueasy said:
Yeah no way that flies.

Personally I think 2 man crew is best. They have a better understanding of what there areas are and make better calls IMO.
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I could be dead wrong, I didn’t go back and double check. But I believe in the FG tournament for the girls, WP semi final game had a 3 man crew and then the championship game had a 2 man crew which seemed odd to me, but maybe there was 3 for the championship. Not 100% sure but I remember thinking that.
 
nwlions said:
A shot clock wouldn't have mattered here. There were few long possessions--just a lot of missed shots and turnovers.

I'm not necessarily against a shot clock, but I see major logistical problems. Many schools are struggling for money and that would be a major expense (and probably rewiring in older gyms). In addition, one more table person would be needed per game to run the shot clock.
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There are wireless shot clocks on Amazon for $280.

If you don’t have $280 or can’t raise $280, you have no business fielding a team.
 
The shot clock is not a cureall for low scoring games. Iowa has one and at a shootout last Saturday, one of the final scores was 35-27
 
mowesten said:
There are wireless shot clocks on Amazon for $280.

If you don’t have $280 or can’t raise $280, you have no business fielding a team.
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Do schools in other states use wireless? \

I can't really see schools relying on wireless for something like that. But I am getting older every day so maybe I am outta the loop on that stuff
 
TadQueasy said:
Do schools in other states use wireless? \

I can't really see schools relying on wireless for something like that. But I am getting older every day so maybe I am outta the loop on that stuff
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Me either. I can see a bunch of high-schoolers hacking those suckers.
 
Unless MSHSAA mandates the shot clock, it’s not coming. Administrators are the ones who vote and 90% said no last spring.
 
Final score of the Class M state championship in 1962 was 33 to 32. Bowling Green won. Was my senior year in high school. We were 24- 10 that year. Lost 3 to Bowling Green and 3 to Clopton.
 
chs_02 said:
Unless MSHSAA mandates the shot clock, it’s not coming. Administrators are the ones who vote and 90% said no last spring.
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That seems to be what is coming. Other states are doing it. I doubt administrators in other states wanted it either. I think it will just be mandated at some point.
 
Admittedly, it is usually ineptitude or stalling which lead to low scores and a less than ideal viewing experience.
However, one of the most exciting games I've ever seen was a defensive slugfest between Three Rivers and Mineral Area for the 1982 Region 16 title. 3R prevailed 46-44 and the tension was high, as EVERY possession carried so much weight. It was the basketball equivalent of a great pitcher's duel.
 
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TadQueasy said:
That seems to be what is coming. Other states are doing it. I doubt administrators in other states wanted it either. I think it will just be mandated at some point.
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I don’t think that would go over well. All rule and bylaw changes are supposed to be voted on by the membership.
 
Graphic Edge Guy said:
Cool...I live in Moscow and volunteer coach for both football and track at Troy Buchanan. Was Wilhoit your Coach???
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Actually, Bob was coaching at Elsberry and Clopton when I was playing. Then I taught with him at Troy.' Then I coach against him when I coached a Clopton. We became good friends. My varsity coach was Ken Jameson
 
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