Excelsior Springs vs. Lawson next year!
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That is a NO win for ES. They lose, it's an awful loss to a class 2 team, if they win, they are supposed to beat a class 2 team. I don't see that happening.
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Nope. The old Excelsior-Kearney rivalry needs to return...........
Nope. The only real rivalry Excelsior has had was with Liberty--and the almost 100 year old Dueling Pistols series that ended in the late 1990s. Next would be Richmond. Kearney started football about 62 years after Excelsior had been playing organized ball.
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You mean their games against KC central and Kc east aren't rivalry games?
Not any more than Smithville vs. Kearney since SV has won four in a row now.
Smithville 34 Kearney 0
Smithville 60 Kearney 45
Excelsior 49 Central 12
Excelsior 51 SE 20
I get it, those teams for Excelsior are like Kearney is to Smithville now?
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Next year will tell whether Smithville was about these two years OR truly is becoming a top notch program. Ask me today I do tend toward the latter..........
They don't have those twins they lose to Kearney by 14 this year...even with Kearney's horrendous passing game.
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Horrendous passing game. My bad. Not sure if it is the blocking, the scheme, the receivers, the coaches, or the QB play, or all the above.
Excelsior had to survive with a Linebacker playing QB after they lost their QB before the season started.
I would call it "solid", rather than top-notch. They did sweep a down Kearney program, but they were also swept by a "good, but not great" Platte County squad. The District was certainly the weakest I've seen it in a decade. I think PC will be ahead of Smithville, hopefully the Bulldogs make a move to turn the program around.
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They sure will next year. Platte County, all things remaining equal, should be a heavy C4 regional favorite in 2020.
Biggest problem for Kearney this season was their special teams play, not the Sophomore QB. Maybe they should focus on all three phases of the game next year. They should appoint someone on staff to be the Special Teams Coordinator or if they already have one, appoint a different one.
They had a kicker that was 20 for 20 on PATs.
Their punter averaged over 40 yards.
THey averaged 22 yards per return on K and P.
Their #11 returned two TD returns vs. Staley.
Just trying to understand where you are coming from with this assertion? Their Qb had a 53 rating, and they averaged 78 yards passing on offense? Their average for the prior 10 years was about a 115 rating and 165-180 yards per game passing.
Are you talking about covering K and punts? Because the only glaring issue with this team was passing D and a complete lack of passing offense.
How do you know these statistics? I'm both impressed that you know them, and concerned that you do.
Biggest problems: O coordinator, O-Line play, D-Line play and discipline overall!!
Pretty easy to get. This team reports all their stats on their maxpreps profile.
Yet, they averaged 5.9 yards per carry on offense. So maybe it is O-line play in protecting for the pass?
I am just going off the loss to Grain Valley on a blocked punt and they couldn't field a kickoff to start the game vs. Smithville in the playoffs. I am simply saying they need to appoint someone to be the coordinator of Special Teams (as I feel this is an important part of the game) and if they already do, then get a new one. Those are the only two games I saw. Both of those games the Sophomore QB played well, I am not sure about the other 8 games as I did not see them or the Max Preps box score to determine what the problems for the season were. I am just telling you the two games I saw.
Well, I saw a lot more of them. I think I saw one punt blocked, but overall their Special teams were probably a B+ to an A-. The maxpreps facts just confirm that.
If I graded them:
Running offense: A
Passing Offense. F
Special Teams A-
Passing Defense: D
Rushing Defense C
They used a handful of kickers according to max preps and max preps does not have 20 for 20?
Again max preps has 3 punters and max preps does not have 40 yard average?
Did that 22 yard average per return help them with the opening kickoff against Smithville in the playoffs?
#11 is a great player, sounds like the passing game would have been different if he had played this season.
I am coming with this assertion only from the two games I saw and now from max preps. When was the last time Kearney started a Sophomore QB? I am not sure about the last 10 years of QB rating of 115, my guess would be those numbers are from a Junior or Senior QB.
At this point I would assume your son is a backup QB on their team and your sole mission is to bash a Sophomore QB who took his spot.
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With all due respect special teams was the only reason they were even a part of the Staley game. HERE is my overall postseason year 3 after Jones take: Trust the school admin to take care of their own internal business for the good of the FB program, coaches, players, school and community. I think something even I sometimes miss is how ridiculously competitive this area has become. Look at how many programs in Clay/Platte county sported winning records this season (and there is still a chance three of them will go to at least the semis in their respective classes). On Highway 92 alone KTown, let's all face it, is no longer the "top dog" standing among the crowd. Again I am going to wait to see what happens between now and next summer and root like heck for the Dogs no matter what falls out.........
Biggest Problems in Kearney: Dads hiding behind fake mosports profile names. I guess moms taking pictures, both games I was at the weather was cold so I did not see the issue, and former coaches creating profile names just so they can bash the current coaches.
On a serious note, I am simply saying, they need a Special Teams Coordinator, if they do already, get a different one!
Overall, I'd contend that special teams was the strongest part of their game. The coach went through a couple kickers (soccer players) that couldn't split the uprights before going to the "jv" kicker and he was nails. The two kickers misses in early games didn't cost them anything; Stevens returns were well above average (their only points vs Staley.) They ran the ball well for the most part - but there were some games when they struggled on the ground and a long gain skewed the ypc (they didn't move it effectively on the ground vs PC or game 1 vs Smithville, for example); Special teams were consistently above average.
As for the qb - he's young and ideally should have been playing jv this year (as should a good number of their defensive players.) There's a lot to like about him - but IMO he got beat up early and made a lot of "panic" throws. With good coaching, he'll have some highlights over the next two years. The play calling was blah.
On the defensive side, the Dogs were strong up the middle, but were undersized/weak on the outside - against the run and the pass (not much pressure from the ends). The junior class is way down in numbers (and size), and this defense really needed several kids to go both ways in order to be effective (getting some of the kids off the field/playing jv.) I really would have liked to seen them go to a 4 man front, to compensate for that lack of size.
Must have been the strong part the other 8 games because it wasn't the two games I saw, basically cost them the two games I watched live.
I agree! I join in on what I saw as the biggest problem this year, made one comment and all the dads behind their fake profiles jumped my case. I only saw two games and it was clear what the issue is. Regardless of the fact that I am right, the Kearney Dads were all over it, quickly pointing fingers back to the wrong issues. Just cause you point the longest, loudest, and most often doesn't mean you are right, it just means you are pointing in the wrong direction.
You think failing to recover an onside kick cost them the game, in a matchup vs Smithville - WHERE THE D GAVE UP 60? There's not a rule that says the D can't get a stop after allowing an onside kick. That D didn't force a punt all night long.
If I recall correctly, the qb had a couple of picks in that GV game. That game changed when Steven was injured - converting a fake punt on SPECIAL TEAMS. How do you blame a loss on special teams when the O puts up 7 points?
EDIT - looked it up GV was up 8-7, when they blocked a punt & recovered on Kearney's 37. Not sure that's really a game changer when you're already losing.
But hey, you've got all the answers (don't have a kid on the team and not a former coach.)
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# 6 20 for 20 on PATs. It is right there. He is the kicker they settled on by Game 2. And the kicker that did 95% of all kicking duties. Yes, on punting, Acosta averaged 40+. But you are right, the one that kicked the most averaged less than 35. My son is not a backup QB on their team. And I am not bashing the QB. Just pointing to the numbers. I wouldn't question a players resolve...it was a tough situation for him to be in.
Yes, it changed the entire outcome of the game! That is just my opinion, you would have to ask Kearney if they would of liked to start that game with the ball or allowing Smithville to have the ball to start both halfs?
Grain Valley won based on scoring one more touchdown than Kearney as a direct result of the blocked punt. That is how I blamed the loss! If it goes to overtime, who knows the outcome.
I am not saying you are right or you are wrong, I am simply just giving you the facts!
I'm just amazed that you could watch a defense allow 60 points in a regulation game and deduce that the problem was Special Teams because they failed to field the opening kick. To be fair, that kick was a really bad start, but had the defense held that time - or throughout the game, the Dogs would have had a chance. Not sure how you watched the Miller brothers run wild and reached the conclusion that a Special Teams coach was the answer.
Those aren't "facts" - they're opinion. As I said - GV was up 8-7 when they blocked the punt (outside of FG range). GV went for 2 (with their O) after their first TD (i.e. the conversion wasn't on K's "special teams".) GV didn't win based on "scoring one more touchdown".
The onside kick was a morale changes - but that game wasn't over with 10 seconds off the clock. If it was - there are bigger issues (getting kids to play) than the ST coach. I'd give the Smithville coach a lot of credit in this one - the onside kick was a great call, he called a great game throughout and the pass on 4th & 1 when they iced it, was a hell of a (gutsy) call....of course the game was over on the first play.
I'm saying that you are wrong. Those 2 plays may have played into the outcomes, but they weren't the reason for the outcomes.
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60-45 final. It is all just speculation at this point, but how does that game differ if they field the opening kickoff. The players are excited and maybe the 1st quarter goes differently. But you're probably right, that opening kickoff had very little to do with the outcome! wink. wink.
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Or how about talking about teams that are actually PLAYING this Friday?
Yes, I just gave you the facts! It was a pun off your stage name. I do not know if Kearney has a Special Teams Coordinator or if they split the duties up and each coach is in control of a certain unit. I am simply saying whatever strategy they are currently using, do the opposite. They fix that, they fix the problem! Facts or Faxs!
According to a lot of posters...there isn't anything to be said about them. Just the play on the field.
