Duck is this one of your ideas?

[Black&Gold82]

Has to be.
This post was edited on 1/30 7:25 AM by Black&Gold82

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[Duck_walk]

i was thinking we can replace food stamps with gun stamps.

I am sure since the right to unlimited ownership of handguns is more important than poor people getting nutrition that gun stamps would make you boys happy. Lets face it, to be safe we need more hand guns. Now those huge job creating gun and ammo manufacturers can be guaranteed employment as people rush their gun stamps to gun shows and shops to get the tools needed to kill stuff. THAT is what our founders intended.

 

[Black&Gold82]

Re: i was thinking we can replace food stamps with gun stamps.

Originally posted by Duck_walk:
I am sure since the right to unlimited ownership of handguns is more important than poor people getting nutrition that gun stamps would make you boys happy. Lets face it, to be safe we need more hand guns. Now those huge job creating gun and ammo manufacturers can be guaranteed employment as people rush their gun stamps to gun shows and shops to get the tools needed to kill stuff. THAT is what our founders intended.

I know you may be archaic but I don't think that you have any idea what the founders intended. You might be on to something though. Give a man a food stamp feed him for a day. Give a man a gun and feed him for a life time. See, I don like some of your ideas.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Has to be.
This post was edited on 1/30 7:25 AM by Black&Gold82

This is not as terrible an idea as you think it is if it is paired with a requirement to stay in the educational and/or job training system.

 

[Black&Gold82]

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Has to be.

This post was edited on 1/30 7:25 AM by Black&Gold82

This is not as terrible an idea as you think it is if it is paired with a requirement to stay in the educational and/or job training system.

No one has ever paid me to be good.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Has to be.

This post was edited on 1/30 7:25 AM by Black&Gold82

This is not as terrible an idea as you think it is if it is paired with a requirement to stay in the educational and/or job training system.

No one has ever paid me to be good.

The question we don't ask enough in politics is, how I could better spend the money I have dedicated to X to promote certain societal changes? In the case of money spent on anti-poverty programs, policing, jailing, etc., there have to be some better ways to spend the money to better promote the desired outcomes.

If the goal is to help lift people out of poverty and out of the criminal justice system into society, this type of plan may really not be a bad idea. Tying the explicit payment of government subsidy to achievement of a goal as opposed to mere existence is a nudge towards better behavior.

I'm not saying we should do it or that it would even work; I'm just saying that we shouldn't be opposed to alternative ways to promote positive outcomes if they would work better than our current programs. I recognize this has no chance of ever occurring in reality, but it doesn't mean it's a terrible idea on the merits. It's just a terrible idea to sell politically.

 

[Stevedangos]

Re: i was thinking we can replace food stamps with gun stamps.


Funny how most poor people swiping their gvt cards at the grocery store are about 100 lb overweight. I dont think nutrition is their problem, more a problem of lazy

 

[oldroundballer]

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Has to be.

This post was edited on 1/30 7:25 AM by Black&Gold82

This is not as terrible an idea as you think it is if it is paired with a requirement to stay in the educational and/or job training system.

No one has ever paid me to be good.

The question we don't ask enough in politics is, how I could better spend the money I have dedicated to X to promote certain societal changes? In the case of money spent on anti-poverty programs, policing, jailing, etc., there have to be some better ways to spend the money to better promote the desired outcomes.

If the goal is to help lift people out of poverty and out of the criminal justice system into society, this type of plan may really not be a bad idea. Tying the explicit payment of government subsidy to achievement of a goal as opposed to mere existence is a nudge towards better behavior.

I'm not saying we should do it or that it would even work; I'm just saying that we shouldn't be opposed to alternative ways to promote positive outcomes if they would work better than our current programs. I recognize this has no chance of ever occurring in reality, but it doesn't mean it's a terrible idea on the merits. It's just a terrible idea to sell politically.

You mean like maybe requiring folks who get government assistance to actually do some sort of community service? I'm not saying work 40 hours a week or even 8 hours a day. But create programs where people actually have to take a tiny bit of responsibility before we just hand them assistance. Show up and do some work for a period of time. Even if it's just pick up trash in the city park. Something....anything.... to create some semblance of earning something instead of just feeling entitled. Heck we could provide transportation and child care for them. That would be a small price to pay if some of the folks decided they'd rather get a real job.

How far do you think that would get? There's already enough screaming over just requiring basic drug testing. One of the biggest problems this country faces is the feeling of entitlement. Yet our political leaders just continue to hand it out.

 

[millerbleach]

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Has to be.

This post was edited on 1/30 7:25 AM by Black&Gold82

This is not as terrible an idea as you think it is if it is paired with a requirement to stay in the educational and/or job training system.

Always placing hope in those who have shown no reason to have hope in them.

 

[wcowherd]

Did Jesus say that?
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[Neutron Monster]

Originally posted by oldroundballer:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Has to be.

This post was edited on 1/30 7:25 AM by Black&Gold82

This is not as terrible an idea as you think it is if it is paired with a requirement to stay in the educational and/or job training system.

No one has ever paid me to be good.

The question we don't ask enough in politics is, how I could better spend the money I have dedicated to X to promote certain societal changes? In the case of money spent on anti-poverty programs, policing, jailing, etc., there have to be some better ways to spend the money to better promote the desired outcomes.

If the goal is to help lift people out of poverty and out of the criminal justice system into society, this type of plan may really not be a bad idea. Tying the explicit payment of government subsidy to achievement of a goal as opposed to mere existence is a nudge towards better behavior.

I'm not saying we should do it or that it would even work; I'm just saying that we shouldn't be opposed to alternative ways to promote positive outcomes if they would work better than our current programs. I recognize this has no chance of ever occurring in reality, but it doesn't mean it's a terrible idea on the merits. It's just a terrible idea to sell politically.

You mean like maybe requiring folks who get government assistance to actually do some sort of community service? I'm not saying work 40 hours a week or even 8 hours a day. But create programs where people actually have to take a tiny bit of responsibility before we just hand them assistance. Show up and do some work for a period of time. Even if it's just pick up trash in the city park. Something....anything.... to create some semblance of earning something instead of just feeling entitled. Heck we could provide transportation and child care for them. That would be a small price to pay if some of the folks decided they'd rather get a real job.

How far do you think that would get? There's already enough screaming over just requiring basic drug testing. One of the biggest problems this country faces is the feeling of entitlement. Yet our political leaders just continue to hand it out.

Generally not a fan of this for a few reasons:

1. Most people on public assistance of some kind are children and/or single parents. We're not in the business of mandating child labor, and we just don't have the political will to spend the money on child care (which you've correctly noted is a big part of the issue here).

I'd also argue that's not really a good outcome - there's no reason to set up a government bureaucracy or payment system to pay for child care when you have people willing to act as low paid laborers who watch the kids already (the single parents).

2. You're better off mandating people learn/develop skills which are applicable to the private sector than mandating menial work if you want to make it easier for people to get off the government dole.

3. If the government really thinks there is value in this sort of thing, it should just offer paid jobs for these tasks along the lines of what was done in the Depression. You'd find plenty of takers in poor communities. It would help lift people out of poverty and lower the number of people who are receiving public assistance.

Also, drug testing laws are generally stupid as designed in the US. They are PR measures that are wastes of money. There is not an epidemic of people who are using public assistance for drugs. And, kicking people out of government programs for using drugs doesn't fix the underlying issue. It leaves you with a number of very poorly cared for kids and with adults who have a huge incentive to commit crimes.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Re: i was thinking we can replace food stamps with gun stamps.

Originally posted by Stevedangos:

Funny how most poor people swiping their gvt cards at the grocery store are about 100 lb overweight. I dont think nutrition is their problem, more a problem of lazy

Go try to buy healthy food on EBT versus buying crap. The latter is a lot easier to do. Healthy food is expensive and it's hard to find for many poor people.

Take a drive through North St. Louis. Try looking for a real grocery store. Good luck finding them. Your only option is to go to the gas station and buy crap.

 

[Buck Commander]

Originally posted by millerbleach:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Has to be.

This post was edited on 1/30 7:25 AM by Black&Gold82

This is not as terrible an idea as you think it is if it is paired with a requirement to stay in the educational and/or job training system.

Always placing hope in those who have shown no reason to have hope in them.

Kind of like God with "Christians"...

 

[Drop.Tine]

Re: i was thinking we can replace food stamps with gun stamps.

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Stevedangos:

Funny how most poor people swiping their gvt cards at the grocery store are about 100 lb overweight. I dont think nutrition is their problem, more a problem of lazy

Go try to buy healthy food on EBT versus buying crap. The latter is a lot easier to do. Healthy food is expensive and it's hard to find for many poor people.

Take a drive through North St. Louis. Try looking for a real grocery store. Good luck finding them. Your only option is to go to the gas station and buy crap.

When I think of opening up a grocery store, I think of North Saint Louis.

Dude Veggies are cheap. You can get most of your veggies such as onions, potatoes, tomatoes for little to nothing.

Sure if they want portabella's on their steaks, they may have to suffer.

 

[millerbleach]

Originally posted by wcowherd:
Did Jesus say that?

Posted from Rivals Mobile

What? Education is the answer to gangs?

 

[millerbleach]

Originally posted by Buck Commander:

Kind of like God with "Christians"...

Ignore button broke?????

You really think God wanted to give gangs government assistance?

God has unlimited resources.....we don't.

 

[millerbleach]

Re: i was thinking we can replace food stamps with gun stamps.

Originally posted by Drop.Tine:

When I think of opening up a grocery store, I think of North Saint Louis.

It would just burn down the next "victim" they find.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Re: i was thinking we can replace food stamps with gun stamps.

Originally posted by Drop.Tine:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Stevedangos:

Funny how most poor people swiping their gvt cards at the grocery store are about 100 lb overweight. I dont think nutrition is their problem, more a problem of lazy

Go try to buy healthy food on EBT versus buying crap. The latter is a lot easier to do. Healthy food is expensive and it's hard to find for many poor people.

Take a drive through North St. Louis. Try looking for a real grocery store. Good luck finding them. Your only option is to go to the gas station and buy crap.

When I think of opening up a grocery store, I think of North Saint Louis.

Dude Veggies are cheap. You can get most of your veggies such as onions, potatoes, tomatoes for little to nothing.

Sure if they want portabella's on their steaks, they may have to suffer.

Potatoes aren't a health food. They're basically white bread in veggie form.

This is what I mean about it being cheaper to buy empty calories instead of a balanced diet.

 

[wcowherd]

"Always placing hope in those who have shown no reason to have hope in them."

Very Jesus like.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Has to be.

This post was edited on 1/30 7:25 AM by Black&Gold82

This is not as terrible an idea as you think it is if it is paired with a requirement to stay in the educational and/or job training system.

No one has ever paid me to be good.

 

[Buck Commander]

Originally posted by millerbleach:

Originally posted by Buck Commander:

Kind of like God with "Christians"...

Ignore button broke?????

You really think God wanted to give gangs government assistance?

God has unlimited resources.....we don't.

That went right over your head...how did I know you'd miss the point so badly?

 

[millerbleach]

Originally posted by wcowherd:
"Always placing hope in those who have shown no reason to have hope in them."

Very Jesus like.

Posted from Rivals Mobile

Jesus doesn't place hope in anyone! Jesus knows the heart.
Jesus made a way for everyone but requires an individuals action to receive that benefit.
What NM suggested was similar but doesn't have the enforcement capabilities of Jesus.

 

[millerbleach]

Originally posted by Buck Commander:

That went right over your head...how did I know you'd miss the point so badly?

Missing a point you attempt to make would be an added bonus.