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The Trumpster told more lies in a short press conference at Davos than you probably have in any decade. But that’s ok with you. Right?

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump said at a press conference in Davos, Switzerland, on Wednesday that he opposed the impeachment of President Bill Clinton even though Clinton was doing bad things, like lying.

Trump added: "Now, with me, there's no lying."

That is itself not true.

Trump has been serially dishonest about impeachment and about Ukraine. Case in point -- he made at least 14 false claims related to these subjects at the Davos press conference and in interviews that aired Wednesday on CNBC and Fox Business -- plus a bunch of false claims on unrelated subjects, which we'll leave out of this particular article.


The timing of Rep. Adam Schiff's comments
Trump said at the press conference that he released the rough transcript of his July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky after House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, the Democrats' lead impeachment manager, gave an erroneous account of the call at a committee meeting: "He had no idea that I was going to release the transcript. He never thought I'd do that."
Facts First: Trump released the rough transcript before Schiff gave his exaggerated rendition of the call, not after. Trump's initial complaint was that Schiff had ignored the available transcript; he then began reversing the timeline of events.

The Democrats, Schiff and the transcript
Trump said at the press conference: "But they never thought we were going to release it. When we released that conversation, all hell broke out with the Democrats, because they say, 'Wait a minute. This is much different than Shifty Schiff told us.'"
Facts First: No Schiff-related dissension broke out among Democrats when Trump released the rough transcript. Again, Trump disclosed the document before Schiff made his comments.

The second whistleblower
Trump said at the press conference: "There was supposed to be a second whistleblower. What happened to him? ...There was supposed to be an informer. What happened to the informer? All of these people disappeared. And when they saw this transcript, they said, 'We got problems.'"
Facts First: There is no evidence anyone has "disappeared" or said "we got problems" upon seeing the rough transcript -- which overwhelmingly corroborated the allegations of the first whistleblower. According to the second whistleblower's lawyer, that person never planned to file a separate complaint, only to provide corroborating information to support the first complaint. Whistleblowers have no obligation to speak publicly, and them not doing so doesn't mean they "disappeared."

The call with Zelensky
Trump said at the press conference that "nobody talks about" his call with Zelensky because it was so perfect. "I never see them talking about the transcription. I never see them talking about the call, because there's nothing to say," he said. Similarly, he told CNBC, "You notice they don't mention the calls, though. They never mention the calls. They talk about everything but the calls."
Facts First: Democrats are still talking about the controversial July call, during Trump's impeachment trial and in other public forums. They did so extensively at the trial on Wednesday day.

The timing of US aid to Ukraine
At the press conference, Trump said that aid to Ukraine was delivered even sooner than it was scheduled to be: "Now, here's the other thing: They got their money long before schedule. They got all their money." He said on CNBC: "So they got the money. In fact, they got it very early."
Facts First: The money did not come early or ahead of schedule. Trump's freeze on the aid meant that $35 million could not get out the door before a legal deadline of the end of September, forcing Congress to pass a deadline extension.

Obama's aid to Ukraine
Trump said on CNBC of Obama-era aid to Ukraine: "President Obama gave them nothing. He gave them pillows and sheets and things like that, and I gave them tank busters."
Facts First: While Obama, unlike Trump, did refuse to provide lethal assistance to Ukraine, Obama sent Ukraine much more than pillows and sheets; his military aid included drones, armored Humvees, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices and medical supplies. You can read a full fact check of this claim here.

European aid to Ukraine
At the press conference, Trump repeated his claim that the US is the only country providing aid to Ukraine: "Why isn't Germany paying? Why isn't UK paying? Why isn't France paying? Why aren't the European nations paying? Why is it always the sucker -- United States?"
He said nearly the same thing on Fox Business: "Why isn't Germany and France and UK and all these other countries in Europe that are much more affected than us, why aren't they paying something?"
Facts First: European countries, including France and Germany, have provided at least hundreds of millions of dollars worth of assistance to Ukraine since Russia's invasion in 2014. You can read a full fact check here.

Funding for NATO
Trump said on Fox Business: "You look at what I did with NATO: $530 billion more."
Facts First: Trump's math was off. NATO has announced that it expects non-US member countries to add $400 billion to their defense budgets, over 2016 levels, by 2024. Regardless of how much credit Trump deserves for the increase, he was inaccurately adding an initial $130 billion increase that is part of, not in addition to, the expected $400 billion.
 
Oh I wouldn't bet on that. All it takes is for your coward senators to grow a pair and he's gone.
 
Oh I wouldn't bet on that. All it takes is for your coward senators to grow a pair and he's gone.
Ahh there you go again. Nothing factual. Just telling people to grow a pair because they don’t agree with you.

And now Sadddd reports me to be banned in 3.....2.....1.....
 
Do you ever notice how similar Trump mosports threads are to Congress? No one can defend the lies so there is either what aboutism or deflection. The credibility of the presidency had been destroyed in 3 years and you can’t fix that until you admit there is a problem.
 
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Oh I wouldn't bet on that. All it takes is for your coward senators to grow a pair and he's gone.

The only cowards are on the Left...so Afraid of Trump they have to put forth a bogus impeachment with out merit or evidence as opposed to actually putting forth a legit candidate in less than a year to defeat him. Now that is some real cowards.

What is so funny is all that stuff Duck posted is just normal Political spin.....aka hyperbole that Trump is a Master of. He Twist's the Socialist Left into such knots and wins the Narrative over and over again it's like a Cat playing with a blind mouse at times.

Maybe they will finally learn something after the next election....
 
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Why do the senate republicans want a quick trial?

What will the emboldened Trump do once he is acquitted?

why don’t republicans listen to republicans?


Ex-Bush Speechwriter Makes Chilling Prediction About How Trump Will React To Acquittal
Lee Moran
January 24, 2020, 2:03 AM CST


Michael Gerson, a former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, on Thursday warned of the “further danger” to come if the GOP-controlled Senate voted to acquit President Donald Trump over his Ukraine misconduct.

“The president never views a near-miss as an opportunity for reflection and reformation. He sees it as permission to indulge his every urge,” Gerson wrote in a new column for The Washington Post.

“And his most consistent urge has been to seek unfair advantage in the upcoming presidential election,” he continued. “The months between Senate acquittal and the November vote will be fertile ground for further cheating.”

Gerson also called out the “barefaced bad faith” of Republican senators in the trial who have complained there’s “nothing new” in the case Democrats are making against Trump while simultaneously “actively opposing the introduction of new evidence and new testimony.”

“In this matter, elected Republicans are mainly serving, not the president, and certainly not the republic, but themselves,” he said. “Having decided that no amount of evidence would be sufficient for conviction, they realize that the presentation of a full and compelling case would convict them of servility and institutional surrender. So a quick and dirty Senate trial is the best way to limit the exposure of their malpractice.”
 
These serially dishonest sources of news have lied for 30 years. One article of news equals 60,000 lies plus the truth about the Dems that they refuse to objectively mention.
 
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The Trumpster told more lies in a short press conference at Davos than you probably have in any decade. But that’s ok with you. Right?

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump said at a press conference in Davos, Switzerland, on Wednesday that he opposed the impeachment of President Bill Clinton even though Clinton was doing bad things, like lying.

Trump added: "Now, with me, there's no lying."

That is itself not true.

Trump has been serially dishonest about impeachment and about Ukraine. Case in point -- he made at least 14 false claims related to these subjects at the Davos press conference and in interviews that aired Wednesday on CNBC and Fox Business -- plus a bunch of false claims on unrelated subjects, which we'll leave out of this particular article.


The timing of Rep. Adam Schiff's comments
Trump said at the press conference that he released the rough transcript of his July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky after House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, the Democrats' lead impeachment manager, gave an erroneous account of the call at a committee meeting: "He had no idea that I was going to release the transcript. He never thought I'd do that."
Facts First: Trump released the rough transcript before Schiff gave his exaggerated rendition of the call, not after. Trump's initial complaint was that Schiff had ignored the available transcript; he then began reversing the timeline of events.

The Democrats, Schiff and the transcript
Trump said at the press conference: "But they never thought we were going to release it. When we released that conversation, all hell broke out with the Democrats, because they say, 'Wait a minute. This is much different than Shifty Schiff told us.'"
Facts First: No Schiff-related dissension broke out among Democrats when Trump released the rough transcript. Again, Trump disclosed the document before Schiff made his comments.

The second whistleblower
Trump said at the press conference: "There was supposed to be a second whistleblower. What happened to him? ...There was supposed to be an informer. What happened to the informer? All of these people disappeared. And when they saw this transcript, they said, 'We got problems.'"
Facts First: There is no evidence anyone has "disappeared" or said "we got problems" upon seeing the rough transcript -- which overwhelmingly corroborated the allegations of the first whistleblower. According to the second whistleblower's lawyer, that person never planned to file a separate complaint, only to provide corroborating information to support the first complaint. Whistleblowers have no obligation to speak publicly, and them not doing so doesn't mean they "disappeared."

The call with Zelensky
Trump said at the press conference that "nobody talks about" his call with Zelensky because it was so perfect. "I never see them talking about the transcription. I never see them talking about the call, because there's nothing to say," he said. Similarly, he told CNBC, "You notice they don't mention the calls, though. They never mention the calls. They talk about everything but the calls."
Facts First: Democrats are still talking about the controversial July call, during Trump's impeachment trial and in other public forums. They did so extensively at the trial on Wednesday day.

The timing of US aid to Ukraine
At the press conference, Trump said that aid to Ukraine was delivered even sooner than it was scheduled to be: "Now, here's the other thing: They got their money long before schedule. They got all their money." He said on CNBC: "So they got the money. In fact, they got it very early."
Facts First: The money did not come early or ahead of schedule. Trump's freeze on the aid meant that $35 million could not get out the door before a legal deadline of the end of September, forcing Congress to pass a deadline extension.

Obama's aid to Ukraine
Trump said on CNBC of Obama-era aid to Ukraine: "President Obama gave them nothing. He gave them pillows and sheets and things like that, and I gave them tank busters."
Facts First: While Obama, unlike Trump, did refuse to provide lethal assistance to Ukraine, Obama sent Ukraine much more than pillows and sheets; his military aid included drones, armored Humvees, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices and medical supplies. You can read a full fact check of this claim here.

European aid to Ukraine
At the press conference, Trump repeated his claim that the US is the only country providing aid to Ukraine: "Why isn't Germany paying? Why isn't UK paying? Why isn't France paying? Why aren't the European nations paying? Why is it always the sucker -- United States?"
He said nearly the same thing on Fox Business: "Why isn't Germany and France and UK and all these other countries in Europe that are much more affected than us, why aren't they paying something?"
Facts First: European countries, including France and Germany, have provided at least hundreds of millions of dollars worth of assistance to Ukraine since Russia's invasion in 2014. You can read a full fact check here.

Funding for NATO
Trump said on Fox Business: "You look at what I did with NATO: $530 billion more."
Facts First: Trump's math was off. NATO has announced that it expects non-US member countries to add $400 billion to their defense budgets, over 2016 levels, by 2024. Regardless of how much credit Trump deserves for the increase, he was inaccurately adding an initial $130 billion increase that is part of, not in addition to, the expected $400 billion.
I hate lectures from the phony moralists.
These sources are owned by rich white liberals. Trump is a blustery pugilist that exposed the truth. They want to destroy him.
 
These serially dishonest sources of news have lied for 30 years. One article of news equals 60,000 lies plus the truth about the Dems that they refuse to objectively mention.

So when you don’t like a story, you simply blame the messenger. Sounds familiar.
You can’t defend the ungodly number of lies the man tells. That’s OK.
 
So when you don’t like a story, you simply blame the messenger. Sounds familiar.
You can’t defend the ungodly number of lies the man tells. That’s OK.
Coach, the press is not calling balls and strikes. I must assume everyone is lying.
 
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