Denver dropped a bevy of passes in the second half. But Osweiler did not get his team into the end zone in a home loss to Oakland. Does this guarantee a healthy Peyton gets his job back?
Does Peyton get his job back?
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Yes....You don't bring in Peyton Manning and sit him in the playoffs. If you do and lose they blame the HC...If not it's on Peyton.
Who cares? I just want the Donkeys to lose two more games. @Steelers next week, really wounded Cincy wk 16 and then SD week 17. Anything can happen. Would be nice for Peyton to get another win for the record but either way it will be up to the defense to get it.
Im sorry wheres John Fox? He and Peyton were 2-3 in the playoffs. He lost his job after a 12 win and Superbowl season. Hell he was 1-1 and upset Pittsburgh as a huge underdog with Tebow, but because he didnt win it all he was let go not Peyton. Peyton made another 25 mil this season for losing, AGAIN.
Peyton completed 193 out of 322 with 9 tds and 17 ints. this season. Only reason you put him on the field is to let him get the record for wins. Osweiler is 2-1 with 5 tds and 3 ints and beat the Pats. Why would you pull him? Heck the dude was 35 of 51 for 308 yards no tds but no Ints. either. Thomas dropped two perfect passes one for a TD and one for a big first down. Bench him? How about Vernon Davis' drop? How about the D. They held Oakland to negative yards in the first half and gave up two passing tds in the second. I couldnt imagine Brock getting benched, but might be happy if they do it...GO CHIEFS
I honestly think this whole thing is by design, he wanted to get the record since he knew he had no plans of coming back next year. They rest him for the rest of the regular season since they were undefeated at the time and can literally limp into the playoffs without him. Then he is rested for the playoff run, opposed to last year when he was clearly worn down come the playoffs. Teams do this all the time, Carolina should be doing this soon if not already. These guys take a beating and I would take a 80% Peyton Manning in the playoffs over most of the NFL starters.
Too bad you've only been getting a 75% Peyton since the season began anyways.
I agree. Why not rest him when you have a 2 game lead. Bring him back the last couple of weeks, maybe just the last week, and see how he does. The man deserves one last run. Their defense is designed to win this year, not the offense. I would gladly take 50% Peyton for my Cowboys right now! I still do not think the Big O is the answer for the future either. Just my own opinion.
So, how are you enjoying 100% Cassel, right now....
WTH are you guys talking about? Lol Peyton was horrible from week one. And I do believe Defense wins Championships but Incase you missed it Peyton's last game of course against one of the best Defenses in Football the Kansas City Chiefs he was 5 of 20 with 4 picks. He ain't resting he's old and his body is done. There have been a lot of great Defenses to win Chsmpionships but the QB has still got to be serviceable and he wasn't. Nobody I repeat nobody is resting someone they think they can win with just because they believe they are already in the playoffs. Homefield means a ton. Nobody wants to go to New England in the playoffs. If they thought they could win with Peyton he would be on the field. That loss to Oakland was huge...
I think this coming week @ Pittsburgh is the ultimate test for determining if Peyton comes back or not. Peyton has looked really really old this year (or was it because he has been injured?) so I think he will have to prove he is fully healthy to return for a playoff game. The one thing Osweiler is not doing that Peyton was, is throwing interceptions. However, he is also holding onto the ball much longer and taking a lot of sacks for it. Yesterday's loss was not on Brock, but they do need to start finishing drives. CJ is a big piece of their red zone packages, as well as pass blocking - and they missed both yesterday.
Lol at the John Fox comment. Fox's Denver teams continued to come up short in big games and the loss to the Colts at home last year was the dagger. It was time for a change, and I think the timing for Kubiak worked out perfect for Elway.
Lol at the John Fox comment. Fox's Denver teams continued to come up short in big games and the loss to the Colts at home last year was the dagger. It was time for a change, and I think the timing for Kubiak worked out perfect for Elway.
I love Peyton. I hope he can come back 100% and have one last great playoff run.
Well let's be atleast sensible about it. Why do I have to show passion for Peyton? He was a great QB( regular season) he is done, period, put a fork in him. I think Brady is better, has always been better, (all seasons) but when he's done put a fork in him and move on. The NFL is s multi billion dollar business, yes it is a game but it's all business there is no "hey we're going to throw the season away and stick with you because you used to be great." Only one thing matters what can you do for me NOW. Peyton has been horrible all year, look at the stats, remember they don't lie.
As far as Foxs teams came up short, uhm you might check Peyton's records. He came up short a lot. Division winner continuos just to fail in the playoffs. Blame Fix all you want but you better go back to his Indy days and blame every coach the guy ever had including college.
So using the same logic, The Chiefs should stick with their current running backs instead of bringing Jamaal Charles next season. I mean, all you have to do is look at their record with him this season and their record without him.. Right?
Say what you want, Belichik went 11-5 with Cassel. How great is his offensive system/coaching? Incredible.
Not with this aged version of Cassel he did not. Have you seen him this year?
Against whom Duck? Brady went 16-1 the year before!!! Jamaal once again was leading the league in YPC, higher than the two in there now. But regardless the difference is Jamaal can still do it. If he comes back next year and can't yeah you get rid of him. You guys act like poor poor Peyton. Dude made bank off Denver. He shopped his services to the highest bidder. I in no way feel sorry for someone who has made 3-4 hundred million dollars because it's time to retire. Barry Sanders yea felt sorry for him, best playing at the time and Detroit would not trade him Peyton got his opportunity . I do however wonder if Denver spent all the money that they did to surround Peyton, both sides of the ball, if they would have done that for Cutler, Orton maybe even Tebow how far could they have gone..
I would take the argument that Brady has always been better. Take Manning and put him with Belichik for his entire career. Even then, Brady's career playoff Passer rating is a whopping 0.5 points better than Manning. Manning has been playing injured and it has shown. You are so quick to write him off a year that he threw for 4700+ yards and 39 touchdowns. 2 years removed from the most impressive season a QB has put together (and you can't say it was because he was in a dome...but the air is thinner right?). What I like about Peyton is that if he does come back next year healthy, he has the capability of surprising us all.
I don't think anyone is denying that Peyton has had a horrible year. But they were winning despite his poor play, and Ill still put him on the field over Osweiler.
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Who have they surrounded Peyton with?? The only key player post-signing of Peyton that they have picked up has been Emmanual Sanders. Orton, Cutler, and Tebow had plenty of decent to great WR's to throw to. Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker, Demaryious, Eddie Royal, Brandon Lloyd, to name a few. Their main running back was undrafted. Elway has made it a priority to improve the defensive side, but many of their key players on defense are Bronco draft picks. 7 of the 11 starters on defense are Bronco draft picks.
I'll use your logic sir. They were 11-5 with Cassel. And the next year they were 10-6 with
Brady. Now go ahead and type a small novel full of excuses which no one will read.
Fox had won 12 games once, let me repeat, ONCE in his entire NFL career. It just so happens that Fox wins 12 or 13 games all 3 years that Peyton is his quarterback, yet you want give Fox the credit for that, but Manning gets the blame for their losses? I'm not saying Manning doesn't deserve his share of the blame for the post-season, but crediting Fox for all the success over the past few years is hilarious. Denver has 10 wins in a year where Peyton looks like a shell of himself, and with a quarterback making his first ever starts. Yet, they miss Fox...okay.
Okay GO BACK AND READ AND COMPREHEND EVERYTHING!!!!! The only reason I said crap about Fox is because whomever posted it said " if you play Peyton and loses then it's Peyton's fault not the coach, if you don't play Peyton and lose then it's the coaches fault"
None of my posts say Fox is some world beater great coach. I used the example he played Peyton, they lost and yes he got the blame<<<<PERIOD.
Belichek had a losing record before Brady. Was he not a genius and then got hit in the head by a Football and became one? To say Brady didn't turn Bills coaching career around is p___ ignorant. From a loser to a winner and yes overnight. 0-2 when Brady took over and they won the SuperBowl. Cannot argue that sensibly.. And as far as Brady's #s and Peyton's look regular season and post season. Brady's improve, Peyton's fall and TD to Int Brady's better.
Brady didnt turn Belichik around. Good grief.
Do you have a clue how many super bowls Parcells won without Belichik on his staff?
Zero. Belichik has won four without Parcells.
That's six total for Belichik.
Belichik is the one who game planned to upset the Bills awesome offense in the SB. Belichik didn't have great talent or as committed a front office in Cleveland.
11-5 with Matt Cassel as your QB is all you need to know. 11-5 with Matt Cassel. 11-5.
The following year 10-6 with Brady.
Who said anything about Parcells whom by the way turned around every team he took over. Belichek had a losing record in New England and was 0-2 when Brady took over. Did their weapons change when Brady took over? 11-5 with Cassel is all you got. I've got Brady has never been a loser!!!![/QUOTE]
Peyton threw for 211 yards and 1 TD and 0 INT last year in last years playoff loss. Yet it is Mannings fault they lost? Heck, Brady had 1 TD for the entire postseason of his first Super Bowl win. One we so quickly attribute to the rise of Brady.
I wasn't dogging Cassel as much as I was intending to rub salt in the wound of a Cowboy's fan. As a Chief's fan, I'm familiar with pain and I can't say Cassel performed any magic there, so I'm wondering how the Cowboy faithful are enjoying him. I guess your response really points out that, with the right supporting cast, you just might be able to be successful with the right guy with a pulse and the ability to get the ball within a reasonable chance of being caught. That sounds like I'm doggin Cassel, again.
I agree with dogging Cassel. He sucks.
My point was that Belichik is so good he
Was 11-5 with a chump like Cassel.
I forgot last year was Peytons first! Great comparison. Although this had nothing to do w/ Brady vs Manning till Duck brought up the awesome Belichek who without Brady had a HEADCOACHING record of 41-56 including 5 and 13 at New England. And since Brady hes gone 181-55. Yeah Tom has nothing to do with that its all Bill. Bill throws all those TDs and Brady just throws the few picks every year.
Back to the main question. NO. Has nothing to do with LOVE or hate for Peyton. There is no way the Broncos pay him 20 some million to QB next year so why mess with him unless hes needed? The PROS, guys that played, study and know QBs like Jaworski flat out say Peyton cannot do what is needed by the QB in Kubiaks system. I believe not positive but believe he said Peyton never could have. Peyton is a pocket passer.
They are talking about Peyton's foot speed/agility not being able to run the stretch play and boot off of it. If you paid attention you would know Peyton ran those plays hundreds of times in Indy when he was younger. Dude, you wouldn't give Peyton credit for anything. If he played for Belichik, he would have 5 or 6 rings. Your man crush on Brady is understandable. He is cute. But there is a reason Manning has so many MVP awards. His teams over achieved year after year during the regular season so you blame him for every post season failure.
Come on Duck thats ridiculous. Peyton WAS great Ive never said otherwise but to say his teams overachieved is being foolish. You and only you have said anything like that. Peytons entire career he has been surrounded by awesome skill position players. Any QB that ever played Football would have taken his recievers. I dont understand how you act like Harrison and Wayne werent extremely talented recievers. Then you talk about Dallas Clark wasnt that good because after his 9th year he didnt do as good as he did with Peyton. Dude he was the Colts first round draft pick in 2003 and had 50 some TDs. He was a GREAT TE. He had the Marshall Faulk and then first round 4th pick Edgerrin James. His teams were loaded. Overachieved LMAO.....How about the horrible division he played in? Houston, Jacksonville (had some decent teams) and Tennessee..
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Peyton was not on the field at all! Point proven. At home and you lose to the Raiders. If they are able to run the ball, Peyton will be even better....
As a Cowboy fan, I hate it with Cassel. I think they should have kept Weeden if they did not trade for Chase Daniel or even sign Tim Tebow!
You didn't answer my question. Last year when they lost in the playoffs, was it Mannings fault? You act like his lack of success in the playoffs is all because of him. But 200+ TD w/1 TD and 0 INT isn't losing the game for someone. Is it winning it either? Hell no....I just hate the people that point fingers at Manning for the lack of his teams success in the playoffs. Like Ive said, Brady's 4th Super Bowl moved him in front of Manning on my GOAT list. But as I pointed out, Brady has had some mediocre games in the playoffs and they happened to pull out a win. Manning wasn't so lucky. I also think we underrate the role that Vinatieri has had on both teams. 2 game-winning kicks in the Super Bowl as well as the "tuck rule game".
Funny how you can use what an analyst says when it fits your narrative. IMO, you tailor your offense to the talent/strengths of your players. I would say most coaches on this board would agree, yes? So Kubiak should have worked his system into Mannings strengths given his obvious success in the past. I also don't think you write Manning off yet. Let him recover and see what happens.
You USUALLY tweek your coaching to fit your player especially QB in high school, some in college lesser in the pros. High school you get what you get, college and Pros I believe you attempt to get a player in your set skill range. Denver knew Kubiaks system. Coaches especially at the NFL level are creatures of nature you don't higher an offensive coordinator who's done something someway for twenty years and then go " we want you to do something different". I think Denver knew where they were headed, a different direction, next year. My narrative, be pretty stupid to quote someone going against your opinion I would think. Please show me any Pro Football person since preseason who said anything good about how Peyton was throwing the ball. Especially velocity. Sorry my opinion, a couple weeks off isn't going to change how he threw the ball week one of the season. Just my opinion.
Not only has PM's arm looked bad this year, he has also made a ton of mental mistakes as well. He has done a poor job with reads, and throwing into triple coverage, things uncharacteristic of Manning. Having 3 rookies in the offensive line did not help either.
The loss to Oakland could really mix up the playoff seeding's. The Chiefs have a good chance to win out. It's not out of the question for Denver to lose against Pitt's this week and potentially vs. Cincy to hand the division to the Chiefs.
As I mentioned above, I think PFM comes back the following week if Brock plays poorly this weekend.
The loss to Oakland could really mix up the playoff seeding's. The Chiefs have a good chance to win out. It's not out of the question for Denver to lose against Pitt's this week and potentially vs. Cincy to hand the division to the Chiefs.
As I mentioned above, I think PFM comes back the following week if Brock plays poorly this weekend.
Pittsburgh with a healthy Big Ben can beat anyone. That offense is ridiculous. I expect Denver to lose there but the Cincy game w/ Dalton out, Denvers D will likely win that on their own. As terrible as San Diego has played Im hoping Rivers can pull one out and give the CHIEFS a shot at the Division.
You and your **** yards per carry for Charles. The dude isn't carrying a darn thing most of the time, he is usually on the sideline!
But if you were to tweak you system (even in the pros) for someone it would be Manning. Thats my opinion, which is worthless. I don't think anyone in Denver expected Manning to have such a poor year. Maybe they're smarter than I give them credit for.
I could tell the last couple years that Mannings velocity has been down. I would say that for two years ago when he had probably his greatest year, but even moreso this year and last year. The different with this year though is his ability to still make his lack of velocity work. Like Sobrenski said, his combination of lack of physical ability this year, whether it be to age or injury, combined with mental mistakes has led to his worst year ever. But Im still not ready to write him off yet.
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