Deregulation

[Toots_mcgee]

 

[MGHS]

Of course they will blame the company .... when I'm sure the investigation will show human error or human neglect was the culprit because they didn't detect the wheel bearing issues in inspection or quick enough to prevent the overheat and derailment etc. .

Might be a leverage point for the Union to get that sick pay leave they want.....

I have no issue with the RR reducing their work force etc. but with that said the RR should have to pony up and pony up big time for the clean up and human suffering for this and other accidents. Of course they won't and the govt. won't do anything about it but give lip service political spin.

New NTSB report highlights useless, premature regulatory push after East Palestine derailment

Both left and right rushed to lay blame and demand more regulations after the East Palestine, Ohio train derailment. An early report on the accident shows how premature this was.

reason.com

 

[3Rfan]

Of course they will blame the company .... when I'm sure the investigation will show human error or human neglect was the culprit because they didn't detect the wheel bearing issues in inspection or quick enough to prevent the overheat and derailment etc. .

Might be a leverage point for the Union to get that sick pay leave they want.....

I have no issue with the RR reducing their work force etc. but with that said the RR should have to pony up and pony up big time for the clean up and human suffering for this and other accidents. Of course they won't and the govt. won't do anything about it but give lip service political spin.

New NTSB report highlights useless, premature regulatory push after East Palestine derailment

Both left and right rushed to lay blame and demand more regulations after the East Palestine, Ohio train derailment. An early report on the accident shows how premature this was.

reason.com

You don't seem to understand how dangerous it is to cut their workforce as much as they have AND run longer trains than ever especially when they're carrying hazardous materials. Just asking for trouble, you can't stop a train that long in a short distance and, not to mention they fought and won the battle so they weren't forced to put the newer braking system on them.

 

[MGHS]

You don't seem to understand how dangerous it is to cut their workforce as much as they have AND run longer trains than ever especially when they're carrying hazardous materials. Just asking for trouble, you can't stop a train that long in a short distance and, not to mention they fought and won the battle so they weren't forced to put the newer braking system on them.

According to the RR they didn't cut the work force as much as..... they just have not been able to replenish the ranks after retirements and such. I understand that Companies have a profit margin and Employee's and their benefits are the biggest expense. It looks like if the would of implemented a newer technology that would detect stress, wear and defects better than human visual inspections that the Union was against this would of never happened.

 

[3Rfan]

According to the RR they didn't cut the work force as much as..... they just have not been able to replenish the ranks after retirements and such. I understand that Companies have a profit margin and Employee's and their benefits are the biggest expense. It looks like if the would of implemented a newer technology that would detect stress, wear and defects better than human visual inspections that the Union was against this would of never happenedmuch all Cdid.

According to the RR they didn't cut the work force as much as..... they just have not been able to replenish the ranks after retirements and such. I understand that Companies have a profit margin and Employee's and their benefits are the biggest expense. It looks like if the would of implemented a newer technology that would detect stress, wear and defects better than human visual inspections that the Union was against this would of never happened.

They had hot box detectors along the tracks since long before I retired but they have recently cut the workforce on all the Class 1 RR's by about 30%. They run longer trains with less people and give them very little time off between runs. I know a guy that said they admonished him because he was only marked up 85% of the time. When is he supposed to get any rest or have any time with his family?

 

[MGHS]

I don't know the whole in's and outs... The Union says the RR cut the work force by 30%.. I don't trust Unions. The RR says they didn't cut the work force by 30% that retirements and lack of qualified people wanting to work has hampered their efforts to get up to the Norm.... I don't Trust the RR either.

Either way running longer trains is really the only solution if the work force is depleted. We had that at my employment as well. I worked five 16 hr. shifts in a week and 4 and half 16 hr shifts another week. That stuff was on going for a long while because a lot of people chickened out and just a few of us where willing to take the minimal risk to deal with the children and parents of the children face to face.

So I feel for the Workers. But I also understand the system has to grind on.

Please explain mark up 85% of the time.... and why he was admonished for that?

 

[3Rfan]

I don't know the whole in's and outs... The Union says the RR cut the work force by 30%.. I don't trust Unions. The RR says they didn't cut the work force by 30% that retirements and lack of qualified people wanting to work has hampered their efforts to get up to the Norm.... I don't Trust the RR either.

Either way running longer trains is really the only solution if the work force is depleted. We had that at my employment as well. I worked five 16 hr. shifts in a week and 4 and half 16 hr shifts another week. That stuff was on going for a long while because a lot of people chickened out and just a few of us where willing to take the minimal risk to deal with the children and parents of the children face to face.

So I feel for the Workers. But I also understand the system has to grind on.

Please explain mark up 85% of the time.... and why he was admonished for that?

RR train crews have to 'mark up' that they're available for call to go on a run. They usually get a 2 hour call time meaning they have to be at RR station within 2 hours of their call out. How can anybody have decent life like that 85% of the time? I
If you don't fill the jobs when people retire you DID cut your workforce. Running longer trains is NOT the safe thing to do, especially when they're carrying hazardous material. It's just plain ole common sense that they can't stop as quick and they block public crossings longer.

 

[MGHS]

The RR companies are claiming they can't fill those spots with people willing to work those jobs.

Maybe that is because they are over working their employee's and the word is out or maybe people don't want to work manual labor jobs as much. Or a combination of both.

I agree it's not optimal to run longer trains with less staff.... but if they can't fill those spots or it's not cost effective to do so then what other alternative is there?

 

[Veer2Eternity]

The RR companies are claiming they can't fill those spots with people willing to work those jobs.

Maybe that is because they are over working their employee's and the word is out or maybe people don't want to work manual labor jobs as much. Or a combination of both.

I agree it's not optimal to run longer trains with less staff.... but if they can't fill those spots or it's not cost effective to do so then what other alternative is there?

They could fill the spots. They don't want to.

That wouldn't be as profitable.

This isn't a difficult concept. They really don't care about anything except profit.

 

[3Rfan]

The RR companies are claiming they can't fill those spots with people willing to work those jobs.

Maybe that is because they are over working their employee's and the word is out or maybe people don't want to work manual labor jobs as much. Or a combination of both.

I agree it's not optimal to run longer trains with less staff.... but if they can't fill those spots or it's not cost effective to do so then what other alternative is there?

Train crew jobs are not exactly manual labor. Track work is just not to the extent it used to be.

 

[MGHS]

They could fill the spots. They don't want to.

That wouldn't be as profitable.

This isn't a difficult concept. They really don't care about anything except profit.

There is a line.... between profit and loss of profit because of unproductive practices of to little staff. So while the Highest Profit possible is the goal that cannot be met with understaffing and train derailments.

And if Profit is always the goal... explain ESG which is destroying some companies (Disney) and they are losing Billions and Billions.

 

[MGHS]

Train crew jobs are not exactly manual labor. Track work is just not to the extent it used to be.

I'm sure you are correct on that but it's very Possible the Job is seen as such by potential applicants.

 

[3Rfan]

I'm sure you are correct on that but it's very Possible the Job is seen as such by potential applicants.

Then they aren't smart enough to have the job anyway. Just because it's not an office job doesn't mean it amounts to physical labor, especially for an engineer. They have to learn a of lot stuff but the most physical activity they get is climbing up on the engine.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

 

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