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Democratic Socialism is not the Democratic Party’s future. It's their present.

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The recent Democratic primary win by “Democratic Socialist” Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the safely Democratic 14thcongressional district of New York is being presented by the liberal media as something stunning and new. It isn’t. DNC chair Tom Perez even said in a recent interview that Cortez represents the future of the Democratic Party. She doesn’t. She represents the Democratic Party’s present.

During the 2008 presidential election, when socialism was still taboo, politically speaking, people on the right who suggested Obama was a socialist were ridiculed and derided by the mainstream press as conspiracy theorists, or even targeted for destruction. Does everyone remember how “Joe the Plumber” suddenly became the story the media decided to investigate instead of Obama’s “spread the wealth around” comment? Do you recall that his tax history was even leaked to the media?
Socialism was a dirty word back then, and anyone who uttered it aloud felt the full force of the “Hope and Change” collective.

Then the 2016 Democratic primary happened. To whom did the Democratic Party’s base flock? The establishment Democrat, or the “independent” candidate openly espousing socialism? The mask finally came off. Uncle Bernie promised “free” healthcare, “free” education, “free” housing and more, all at the expense of “rich” taxpayers, naturally.

Democratic Socialism, which is also known as Socialism, was suddenly cool. Bernie even got a chance to explain it to Larry David on Saturday Night Live. Bernie was saying out loud many of the things people on the left have been thinking for years.

By the time the 2016 Democratic National Convention took place, the party had been split in two. Supporters of the establishment sat inside and listened to speeches, while the base of the party was outside, storming the gate, demanding everything on Bernie’s list and more.

Which side do you think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez represents?

She had the full backing of the Democratic Socialists of America, who recently demanded on Twitter, the abolishment of profit, prisons, cash bail, and borders. It’s fascinating how that platform overlaps with rhetoric we’ve heard from not only the DSA, but also Antifa, the Occupy movement, Bernie Sanders supporters, and hosts on MSNBC.

Many talking heads in cable news feigned surprise over the election of a socialist in a Democratic primary, but anyone who has been watching the Democratic Party for the last decade knew this is exactly where it was headed.

Shortly after Obama became president, Newsweek proudly declared on its cover that “We’re All Socialists Now.” Were people not supposed to notice that the media had signed on to the new plan and were even anxiously promoting it?

Democrats are literally betting the house on this. They now routinely appear on cable news demanding the abolishment of ICE, while simultaneously insisting upon “free” healthcare and higher education.

Where do you think these talking points come from? It’s not Tom Perez or the DNC. He and other Democrats take them from leftist activists who belong to organizations like the Democratic Socialists of America.

Instead of trying to appeal to the voters they lost in the 2016 election, Democrats have doubled down on leftism and are fighting to keep their base, which wants nothing short of full socialism. The hard left has been working and building towards this moment for years, which is precisely why so many of them are acting out so violently now. With Obama’s election in 2008 and reelection in 2012, they thought the country had finally shifted permanently in their direction. Trump’s 2016 victory was proof of their error, which they simply cannot accept. As a result, we’ve had riots, intimidation of Electoral College members, accusations of fascism, the Mueller investigation, a litany of insults from Hollywood, and worse.

At the root of this rage is the base of the Democratic Party and they are socialists. They will settle for nothing less than “free” everything, and they expect you to pay for it.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is not an anomaly. She is the natural result of the political trajectory Democrats have been following for years. No one should be surprised by her win or the media’s glee over her arrival in American politics.

Socialism is not the Democratic Party’s future. It’s where they are right now.
 
"Free Everything"? When I hear someone make this type of statement I have a hard time taking anything else they have to say seriously.
 
You choose Putin over the President, why should we take you seriously?

I get it. You are one of the elementary kids who say I know you are but what am I to distract from Trump and most of his associates being so far up Russian oligarchs arse they think Siberia is a resort town. You voted for a con man who's son thought it was cool to meet with Russian spies during a campaign. How could you have known you were being duped? I get it.

And I am sure Donnie is still having his taxes audited and he isnt in debt to Russians. I am sure that he is legit.
 
I get it. You are one of the elementary kids who say I know you are but what am I to distract from Trump and most of his associates being so far up Russian oligarchs arse they think Siberia is a resort town. You voted for a con man who's son thought it was cool to meet with Russian spies during a campaign. How could you have known you were being duped? I get it.

And I am sure Donnie is still having his taxes audited and he isnt in debt to Russians. I am sure that he is legit.
Your brain is fried green tomatoes bruh.
You watch 24-7 coverage of Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, Russian James Bond movies and NATO while Trump has checkmated you with Brett Kavanaugh.
 
You voted for a man who will be impeached, not for lying about sex, but for lying about EVERYTHING. You will see him in hell.
 
Free everything is not being espoused by even the furthest lefty candidates.

"Free everything" is obvious hyperbole, let's take it for what it is and not try to make it something it's not.

They are pushing for:

-free healthcare
-free higher education
-free housing
-open borders
-abolishing profit
-abolishing prison
-abolishing or at least neutering the 1st Amendment
-eliminating the 2nd Amendment
-$15 minimum wage

That's not America, and that's not really improvement. If you want socialism, go to Latin America, go to Canada, go to Europe.

There's a reason people immigrate here, because it's better here. It's not perfect, but where is?
 
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You voted for a man who will be impeached, not for lying about sex, but for lying about EVERYTHING. You will see him in hell.
I'm getting misty eyed with your tolerance. Just think, no more policy ideas so unpopular that we can’t pass a law creating such rights.”
 
"Free everything" is obvious hyperbole, let's take it for what it is and not try to make it something it's not.

They are pushing for:

-free healthcare
-free higher education
-free housing
-open borders
-abolishing profit
-abolishing prison
-abolishing or at least neutering the 1st Amendment
-eliminating the 2nd Amendment
-$15 minimum wage

That's not America, and that's not really improvement. If you want socialism, go to Latin America, go to Canada, go to Europe.

There's a reason people immigrate here, because it's better here. It's not perfect, but where is?
Where do you guys get the idea that medicare for all system is 'free healthcare'? Medicare as we know is most certainly NOT free. We pay for it all of our working lives then pay a monthly fee for it once we reach 65. THEN we have to pay for supplements if we want to have anything besides the most basic coverage. I will go on medicare the 1st of September and it sure ain't gonna be free! The rest of the crap you put in there is a LONG way from ever happening and some it you KNOW will never happen. Someone is always pushing for some pie in the sky junk that just don't come to pass. How long has someone been saying "they want to eliminate the 2nd amendment"? I've been around for quite a while and it still hasn't happened and those screaming that know it ain't gonna happen. :mad:
 
Where do you guys get the idea that medicare for all system is 'free healthcare'? Medicare as we know is most certainly NOT free. We pay for it all of our working lives then pay a monthly fee for it once we reach 65. THEN we have to pay for supplements if we want to have anything besides the most basic coverage. I will go on medicare the 1st of September and it sure ain't gonna be free! The rest of the crap you put in there is a LONG way from ever happening and some it you KNOW will never happen. Someone is always pushing for some pie in the sky junk that just don't come to pass. How long has someone been saying "they want to eliminate the 2nd amendment"? I've been around for quite a while and it still hasn't happened and those screaming that know it ain't gonna happen. :mad:

That's exactly the point, "free" healthcare comes at what cost? A 90% tax rate?
 
You voted for a man who will be impeached, not for lying about sex, but for lying about EVERYTHING. You will see him in hell.

"Free everything" is obvious hyperbole, let's take it for what it is and not try to make it something it's not.

They are pushing for:

-free healthcare
-free higher education
-free housing
-open borders
-abolishing profit
-abolishing prison
-abolishing or at least neutering the 1st Amendment
-eliminating the 2nd Amendment
-$15 minimum wage

That's not America, and that's not really improvement. If you want socialism, go to Latin America, go to Canada, go to Europe.

There's a reason people immigrate here, because it's better here. It's not perfect, but where is?

No comment?
 
I know a lot of people who owe their lives to public schools, healthcare, the police, the military, decent highways, cheap electricity clean water, street lights, bridges, air bags, seat belts, firefighters, sewer systems, trash collection, polio shots, and safe food. Next time you use one of those, thank socialism, spanky. Because life would suck without the "collective" working together. Thats democratic socialism. Its not textbook, the government controlling all means of production, socialism.
Are you part of South America with all this socialism?

No one said to close all prisons. They said "for profit" prisons.

All of the "socialism" I listed has occurred without banning profit or opening borders and with a national minimum wage. When the measly arse minimum wage we have now and the 40 hour work week were set, the hyperbole on how the socialists were destroying business in our country sounded just like your exaggerated nonsense now.
 
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I know a lot of people who owe their lives to public schools, healthcare, the police, the military, decent highways, cheap electricity clean water, street lights, bridges, air bags, seat belts, firefighters, sewer systems, trash collection, polio shots, and safe food. Next time you use one of those, thank socialism, spanky. Because life would suck without the "collective" working together. Thats democratic socialism. Its not textbook, the government controlling all means of production, socialism.
Are you part of South America with all this socialism?

No one said to close all prisons. They said "for profit" prisons.

All of the "socialism" I listed has occurred without banning profit or opening borders and with a national minimum wage. When the measly arse minimum wage we have now and the 40 hour work week were set, the hyperbole on how the socialists were destroying business in our country sounded just like your exaggerated nonsense now.

Air bags and seat belts? Bit of a stretch.

And sorry, but the government doesn't control ALL means of production. In other states toll roads actually work just as well (or better in many cases) than public highways.

Private schools and home schooling in many/most instances offer a better quality learning environment than what is received at public schools.

Last I checked my doctor doesn't work for the government...

As for our crumbling infrastructure (roads, bridges, electrical grid, etc.), that's a poor example of "government efficiency at work, and the private sector can and does achieve just as much at a much smaller price.

As for the minimum wage, that was intended for teenagers working their first jobs, not as a means to support a family. I'm not unsympathetic, but if you're working at Taco Bell because that's the best job you can get after having 4 kids with 3 "baby daddies", your quality of life is a result of YOUR choices and it isn't society's responsibility to prop you up.
 
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Car companies fought the "socialistic" seat belt requirements and claimed it would jack up the price of cars and cost them millions in sales. Do some reading. The "socialists" in government forced them to install.

Our highway system and publics schools are perfect examples of democratic socialism. They transformed the country. Dear god, why am I wasting my time. Your sense of history is not impressive. Entire civilizations were wiped out because of lack of sewer systems, clean water and health care.
 
Car companies fought the "socialistic" seat belt requirements and claimed it would jack up the price of cars and cost them millions in sales. Do some reading. The "socialists" in government forced them to install.

Our highway system and publics schools are perfect examples of democratic socialism. They transformed the country. Dear god, why am I wasting my time. Your sense of history is not impressive. Entire civilizations were wiped out because of lack of sewer systems, clean water and health care.

For starters, you have no idea what my sense of history is. Secondly, regardless of the fact that roads and schools are obviously a social benefit, the fact remains that our infrastructure is a joke and private schools on average produce a better product than public schools (for a number of reasons).
 
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For starters, you have no idea what my sense of history is. Secondly, regardless of the fact that roads and schools are obviously a social benefit, the fact remains that our infrastructure is a joke and private schools on average produce a better product than public schools (for a number of reasons).

Yes I do. Its obvious.
 
Air bags and seat belts? Bit of a stretch.

And sorry, but the government doesn't control ALL means of production. In other states toll roads actually work just as well (or better in many cases) than public highways.

Private schools and home schooling in many/most instances offer a better quality learning environment than what is received at public schools.

Last I checked my doctor doesn't work for the government...

As for our crumbling infrastructure (roads, bridges, electrical grid, etc.), that's a poor example of "government efficiency at work, and the private sector can and does achieve just as much at a much smaller price.

As for the minimum wage, that was intended for teenagers working their first jobs, not as a means to support a family. I'm not unsympathetic, but if you're working at Taco Bell because that's the best job you can get after having 4 kids with 3 "baby daddies", your quality of life is a result of YOUR choices and it isn't society's responsibility to prop you up.
What highways have private companies built and maintained?
 
I know a lot of people who owe their lives to public schools, healthcare, the police, the military, decent highways, cheap electricity clean water, street lights, bridges, air bags, seat belts, firefighters, sewer systems, trash collection, polio shots, and safe food. Next time you use one of those, thank socialism, spanky. Because life would suck without the "collective" working together. Thats democratic socialism. Its not textbook, the government controlling all means of production, socialism.
Are you part of South America with all this socialism?

No one said to close all prisons. They said "for profit" prisons.

All of the "socialism" I listed has occurred without banning profit or opening borders and with a national minimum wage. When the measly arse minimum wage we have now and the 40 hour work week were set, the hyperbole on how the socialists were destroying business in our country sounded just like your exaggerated nonsense now.
Most services you've listed were made possible by American Entrepreneurship. Sweden is an example of public healthcare, they literally buy their pertinent heath care from the United States.
My problem with socialism is you seem to conflate power, competence and authority and there's always a simmering oppression narrative as you listen to the Bernie bruh of the world.
Socialism tends confuse capitalism as having caused the flaws income dispersion when in fact income inequality is feature of everything no matter what the system is.
Its my understanding that facets of socialism don't take into account the practical nature of human beings when everything is given freely. But that's beyond what I want to discuss now....
 
Most services you've listed were made possible by American Entrepreneurship. Sweden is an example of public healthcare, they literally buy their pertinent heath care from the United States.
My problem with socialism is you seem to conflate power, competence and authority and there's always a simmering oppression narrative as you listen to the Bernie bruh of the world.
Socialism tends confuse capitalism as having caused the flaws income dispersion when in fact income inequality is feature of everything no matter what the system is.
Its my understanding that facets of socialism don't take into account the practical nature of human beings when everything is given freely. But that's beyond what I want to discuss now....

That's true and just basic economics, most of the countries that people point to as "good" examples of socialism fail to either realize or accept some basic realities.

1. It's "guns and butter" you learned in Macroeconomics 101, these countries spend very little on defense and have just assumed that the United States and United Nations would come to their defense should the occasion occur. By understanding on defense, and taxing their people at 90+ percent of their income, of course they're going to have money to spend on a lot of "free" stuff.

2. Nothing is "free", they just pay for it up front and there is little to no choice in what services they receive.
 
It’s fascinating how that platform overlaps with rhetoric we’ve heard from not only the DSA, but also Antifa, the Occupy movement, Bernie Sanders supporters, and hosts on MSNBC.
Yes. What's fascinating is how the establishment rich Democrat want to be part of the oppressed vision of society as they play the identity game, and enjoy prosperity and wealth. I've always thought the Socialist Democrats don't really care about the poor, they just hate anyone that has more money than them. As for Bernie Sanders he points to whom you should be mad at, and presents a Christmas wish list to voters.
Duck will tell you that virtually anything provided by the Government is a form of socialism, when in fact the legitimate role of the Federal Government is to keep the citizens safe and provide freedom for opportunity. That's why we have policeman, and the Armed Forces. Naturally you would need both to protect its citizens. My parents were educated at a time before the federal department of education was formed. The United States is a Constitutional Representive Republic not a Democracy. A pure Democracy will inevitably vote their own minority self interests and we will be ruled by the mob.
https://www.dsausa.org
Heres a link to the commie web site. It's self explanatory how stupid and dangerous they are.
 
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That doesn't answer my question. Did a private company actually pay for building the roads or did the state, and the feds, build them then turn it over to a private company to collect the tolls?

No idea, but they are PRIVATELY maintained, and they do a much better job keeping them maintained than the government does.

I wish Missouri had toll roads.
 
No idea, but they are PRIVATELY maintained, and they do a much better job keeping them maintained than the government does.

I wish Missouri had toll roads.
It makes a pretty big difference if the government built the roads then handed it off to toll takers. Pretty big investment of tax dollars to BUILD them.
 
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