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Stevedangos
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Well I dont have the time or inclination to do a study, but from personal experience I know when I was about 2 years old my mom was home alone with three kids when a pickup truck load of drunk men started stopping by harassing her when dad was working nights. I am sure they were innocent young guys just having fun.
But I remember when I was older showing neighborhood kids the 5 holes in our screen door that moms .38 special made the last night those guys ever came around harassing her and her three children.
Besides dude you are beating a dead horse, this nation is pro gun , always has been and always will be. You start beating the anti gun drum people just go buy more guns and hoard ammo.
England has 150% of the suicide rate that we do here in the USA, they just get an easy to obtain piece of rope and hang themselves. Now does it really make any difference they dont have access to a gun?? Dead from a cheap piece of rope is a lot more terrible way to kill yourself than a nice clean shot to the head.
Lady was just murdered with a nice clean whack from a 16oz framing hammer, better ban all of those and register the ones that only liscensed carpenters are allowed to have.
How bad is our crime rate by gun when you take out Chicago, St. Louis, Washington and New Orleans?
While I agree there are way too many guns out there, I have never owned one or had the need to use one for personal safety. I also don't believe we will ever see gun control in the US. Nothing will ever keep the guns out of criminals hands. Too late to put the genie back in the lamp. My position is simple - I avoid areas and situations where I might need a gun.
Agree this topic is getting beaten to death. My opinion will not change anyone's mind and arguing around in circles seems pointless. More important issues in my life than gun control.
Agree this topic is getting beaten to death. My opinion will not change anyone's mind and arguing around in circles seems pointless. More important issues in my life than gun control.
I guess I would have to ask why they would be removed? Are they seceding? Are they not part of the United States? It makes no sense to request statistics by removing cities. The Cubs would be leading the Central Division if they could remove the games vs. the Cardinals (2-8 on the season)
Because they are a small segment of the country that drives these stats?? Because if I'm not mistaken, don't they have some of the toughest gun control laws?
2014 Murder Capitals, you might pick some others to remove from the stats........ (On a side note, I averaged 42 points a game as a senior in high school, I just chose to remove the other 27 games that brought my scoring average down.)
Rank City
30 Atlanta, GA
29 Richmond, VA
28 Memphis, TN
27 Montgomery, AL
26 Cleveland, OH
25 Compton, CA
24 Philadelphia, PA
23 San Bernardino, CA
22 Miami Gardens, FL
21 Macon, GA
20 Kansas City, MO
19 Little Rock, AR
18 Stockton, CA
17 Trenton, NJ
16 Baton Rouge, LA
15 Birmingham, AL
14 Oakland, CA
13 Youngstown, OH
12 Newark, NJ
11 Baltimore, MD
10 St. Louis, MO
9 Jackson, MS
8 Wilmington, DE
7 Fort Myers, FL
6 Gary, IN
5 Saginaw, MI
4 New Orleans, LA
3 Detroit, MI
2 Flint, MI
1 Camden, NJ
Rank City
30 Atlanta, GA
29 Richmond, VA
28 Memphis, TN
27 Montgomery, AL
26 Cleveland, OH
25 Compton, CA
24 Philadelphia, PA
23 San Bernardino, CA
22 Miami Gardens, FL
21 Macon, GA
20 Kansas City, MO
19 Little Rock, AR
18 Stockton, CA
17 Trenton, NJ
16 Baton Rouge, LA
15 Birmingham, AL
14 Oakland, CA
13 Youngstown, OH
12 Newark, NJ
11 Baltimore, MD
10 St. Louis, MO
9 Jackson, MS
8 Wilmington, DE
7 Fort Myers, FL
6 Gary, IN
5 Saginaw, MI
4 New Orleans, LA
3 Detroit, MI
2 Flint, MI
1 Camden, NJ
Stronger than MO but nowhere in the US really qualifies as having "tough" gun laws at this point.
Relative to the rest of the developed world, that's not really an opinion. America's handgun laws are really loose.
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Stevedangos
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And thank god for that
Entire country needs a three strike rule for all felonies, and you commit any crime with a weapon of any kind its 20-30 years in jail minimum at hard labor, no parole
Entire country needs a three strike rule for all felonies, and you commit any crime with a weapon of any kind its 20-30 years in jail minimum at hard labor, no parole
If I wanted to be French, I would move to France.
The rest of the developed world is exactly that. The rest.
Three strikes laws are really dumb, a great way to ensure we pay a million bucks to put someone in jail for life for doing almost nothing.
These laws are dying for a reason.
Meaningless drivel. Our allies do plenty of things wrong and plenty of things right. Notably, France (and others) have a lot less gun violence than us, partly because they have much better gun laws than us.
Our laws directly result in more deaths. This is a failure of the American people and our laws.
I don't want to move to XYZ but I also think it's stupid not to acknowledge what others do better than us and look for ways to implement those policies where it makes sense. The beauty of adopting successes of other countries is we know they can work. It's the same reason we can avoid the failure of others - their experience lets us know when things don't work.
Like, it's obvious that our gun laws result in deaths and that our health system costs way too much. other countries offer models we could tweak and adopt to help address these problems.
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Stevedangos
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Its funny that every time the civilized Europeans are getting their asses kicked and countries occupied us uncivilized rednecks have to come take their countries back for them.
Maybe if the french had guns and knew how to use them thousands of young american boys wouldnt have had to go die to win their country and freedom back for them.
I figure we have either saved their ass,,,,or kicked their ass at least twice in the last century and I am tired of hearing how great they are.
Maybe if the french had guns and knew how to use them thousands of young american boys wouldnt have had to go die to win their country and freedom back for them.
I figure we have either saved their ass,,,,or kicked their ass at least twice in the last century and I am tired of hearing how great they are.
Haha, yes it's a good thing all those rednecks stocked up to take their own guns to war. Are you actually attempting to make the point that if the French had more guns in their homes they could have stopped the Nazi invasion? I honestly have to say I've taken a lot of history classes and you, on the MoSports Message Board, have put forth an original theory as to how WWII could have been stopped earlier. Damn, we should have armed the Hawaiians at Pearl Harbor as well, they could have picked those Japanese bombers out of the sky.
Did you ever read a history book? When did Europe need the US to stop it from being taken over by some outside force? Both World wars in Europe were primarily intra-Europe fights. Is your argument that we should be adopting Germany's gun laws instead of those in France?
Bogey says give up. But if it's too late then why are people still buying thousands of New hand guns? It's not too late. Some violence can be prevented. There are thousands of people who wouldn't have the balls to buy a handgun on the black market, but they can walk right into a gun show and leave like Rambo.
The rest of you say more guns will stop gun violence. This is very similar to trickle down economics. It simply is not working. You have proposed no solution to reduce the gun violence in the country except punishment. That isn't deterring it.
They would like to address it in the big cities as you state but the gun laws prevent that.
Background checks, permits from your sheriffs office, face to face sales only.
Liability insurance, magazine limits, etc.
The rest of you say more guns will stop gun violence. This is very similar to trickle down economics. It simply is not working. You have proposed no solution to reduce the gun violence in the country except punishment. That isn't deterring it.
They would like to address it in the big cities as you state but the gun laws prevent that.
Background checks, permits from your sheriffs office, face to face sales only.
Liability insurance, magazine limits, etc.
Actually I said I was ok with all sales at gun shows to be required under the same laws as if they were gun stores.
How about if you have a pending felony, you can't buy a gun aswell?
We already have background checks.
Why the heck would I need a permit from the sheriffs office?
You have a knack for offering up ridiculous ideas. You have people right now who don't insure their car, how the heck are you going to get people to insure their guns? Why in the world would I carry liability insurance on a gun that has no affect on people. Do you want me to insure my chainsaws incase I whack a leg off with it?
You have to drive you car everyday on the same roads as others. That is inherently more dangerous than my gun that is locked in a safe or that stays home. So please, tell me again, why should I carry liability insurance on an object that does not affect you in any way?
I brainstorm and put things out there for discussion. I truly believe we have a national problem that could get even worse.
I also brought up other ideas. If you want to deny we have a problem or go off on one concept I mention, go ahead.
I think the solution is to start an education campaign nationally just as we did with smoking to change the mindset of Americans. If we get enough mothers in this country to realize how dangerous it is to have a handgun in their home then we can start to reduce the deaths. Attitudes can change.
I can drive fast and still be safe.
We have speed limits because some idiots cant. Speed limits are an inconvenience for a great driver like me. You are a safe gun owner. Other idiots are not. You need to be mature enough to have a little inconvenience so other lives can be saved. I can't put it any clearer than that.
I also brought up other ideas. If you want to deny we have a problem or go off on one concept I mention, go ahead.
I think the solution is to start an education campaign nationally just as we did with smoking to change the mindset of Americans. If we get enough mothers in this country to realize how dangerous it is to have a handgun in their home then we can start to reduce the deaths. Attitudes can change.
I can drive fast and still be safe.
We have speed limits because some idiots cant. Speed limits are an inconvenience for a great driver like me. You are a safe gun owner. Other idiots are not. You need to be mature enough to have a little inconvenience so other lives can be saved. I can't put it any clearer than that.
Really? Because I feel like I just said a purchase through an FFL with background check is ok in my book. And maybe no purchase with a felony charge and/or pending felony?
Where did I say we didn't have a problem? At what point do I have to actually spell out the problem. You want to tell people that "guns are bad". Ok so we have how many guns in circulation right now? And your solution is just to tell them that they are bad? Meanwhile my solution actually dealt with the population by teaching gun safety. Which would go against your gun grabbing ideas that "guns aren't bad" if handled in a responsible manor.
I will ask this again to see if I can actually get an answer. Why do some areas with a high number of guns per household(such as the previously mentioned STG) have little to no accidents or gun violence, compared to an area like North Saint Louis? Are the guns out here in the rural areas smarter? Do they go to college there for become a more well rounded and educated gun?
All of your ideas don't actually do anything other than limit or eliminate guns for responsible owners. Comparing my gun to your car just goes to show how ridiculous it gets at times.
In order to stop the violence, its time to acknowledge that the issue lies within an uncomfortable subject. Blacks are FAR more likely to murder with a gun. While whites are far more likely to commit suicide with a gun. I'm more worried about the murder aspect. I'm selfish like that.
In 2010 there were approximately 30,000 gun deaths between homicide and suicide. There were 765,000 abortions. Maybe we need a different battle cry besides guns.
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