...for finally getting a win this year against a team with more than 3 wins!
Congratulations Bolivar!...
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Liberator Dad
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And yet completely factual!
I couldn't help myself (I have too many Bolivar friends bragging to me about their 14th straight conference title); besides, what's in poor taste? It's not like anyone's died or anything.
Bolivar's wins this year:
1-8 Ozark 28 - 7
1-8 Branson 52 - 6
2-7 Hollister 74 - 0
3-6 Marshfield 53 - 0
1-8 Buffalo 68 - 6
3-6 Logan-Rogersville 69 - 0
3-6 Springfield Catholic 49 - 0
8-1 Reeds Spring 50 - 27
That's some title! (14 straight, baby!)
I guess next year's blowout of Log-Rog is on me
1-8 Ozark 28 - 7
1-8 Branson 52 - 6
2-7 Hollister 74 - 0
3-6 Marshfield 53 - 0
1-8 Buffalo 68 - 6
3-6 Logan-Rogersville 69 - 0
3-6 Springfield Catholic 49 - 0
8-1 Reeds Spring 50 - 27
That's some title! (14 straight, baby!)
I guess next year's blowout of Log-Rog is on me
I frankly think people deserve to know the truth about Bolivar's 'streak' (though I think most people are already aware, with the exception of Bolivar fans); it's the same story every year...
(And if you wonder why I even care in the first place, it's because I have so many friends and family in or from Bolivar that act like this is a big deal year after year)
(And if you wonder why I even care in the first place, it's because I have so many friends and family in or from Bolivar that act like this is a big deal year after year
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I frankly think people deserve to know the truth about Bolivar's 'streak' (though I think most people are already aware, with the exception of Bolivar fans); it's the same story every year...
(And if you wonder why I even care in the first place, it's because I have so many friends and family in or from Bolivar that act like this is a big deal year after year
You are a meany.
Liberator Dad
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Mit, I don't butt heads on here but, do you really expect us to believe that you are doing Missouri sports a service by uncovering the great unknown fact that Bolivar is better than the rest of the Small COC? Since I joined this site my son's junior year you seem to have been obsessed with Bolivar bashing. That's cool. My school's unsuccessful program that can only beat teams with a losing record obviously doesn't deserve any recognition for putting the turbo clock on your favorite team during the best season it ever had and when the enrollment number difference was only 90 students. Bolivar's wins against Nixa, Ozark, Branson, Harrisonville, Union, Raytown South, Pleasant Hill, and Hillcrest during the DGB era don't count for anything. Maybe I should do what you do and just cheer for the team with the best record every year. Log Rog then Lamar then Reeds then West Plains. The picture of 31 in your post says all that needs to be said. Like I said. It was a long time ago. Let it go.
Bolivar's wins this year:
1-8 Ozark 28 - 7
1-8 Branson 52 - 6
2-7 Hollister 74 - 0
3-6 Marshfield 53 - 0
1-8 Buffalo 68 - 6
3-6 Logan-Rogersville 69 - 0
3-6 Springfield Catholic 49 - 0
8-1 Reeds Spring 50 - 27
That's some title! (14 straight, baby!)
I guess next year's blowout of Log-Rog is on me
And just what exactly is Bolivar supposed to do about this? Is it their fault the rest of the teams on their schedule except one is having a down year? Mits soooo wants to be a cool trash talker like some Webb fans, but comes up so short and off target lol.
No, it just means they could have a tough time in the playoffs. However, maybe they got better every week. Hope so.
Boy you couldn't be more off with this: I've been a loyal Detroit Lions fan since 1989 (despite the fact that they have only won one playoff game in that time frame); I live in Rog and faithfully root for Rog, having only missed two LR games in the past four years (despite the fact that all four of those years have been losing seasons for Rog); my wife was born and raised in Rog and I have tooted for them for as long as I've lived here (been going to games since 2007); and yes, thanks to family interest on the Lamar football team, I've been to my fair share of Tigers games prior to 2012 (including 4 years of losing seasons for the Tigers...)
...and on top of all that, yes, I actually realize that their is this big world outside of my little town and thus I follow football all over the state (what's wrong with that?)
The closest you got to being right is that yes, I do root for every team that Bolivar plays against to beat the Libs (but I don't see how that makes me any different than any other fan of a Small COC team that's not Bolivar)
You make it sound like this season is some sort of outlier; last year they likewise only beat one team with a winning record, and in 2012 they only beat two winning teams...
...their reasoning all these years for their weak schedule is that they are somehow 'stuck' in the Small COC (never mind the fact after only one year at CJ, Buckmaster had arranged for the Bulldogs to leave the Big 8 for the Large COC, despite his school having an enrollment of less than 1,000; it's not that hard, but deep down Bolivar just doesn't want to give up their cupcake schedule)
Liberator Dad
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We tried to go to the COC Large in football only and the supers from the other schools didn't support it Mit. you really don't know much for a guy who claims to know a lot about the situation. Maybe you should be more concerned about why your team is so bad rather than why we are so much better. It's funny that your answer to getting throttled so bad every year is that we should move our team to a different conference. I also like the way you ignored my comment about the post season quality wins we have had. But like I said. Your picture says it all.
I am very concerned about the state of Rog football since their state title; I do what I can to support the Rogersville mighty mite program and take my ten-year old son (whose mighty mite team hasn't lost a game in two years) to as many LR games as I can to get him excited about being a Wildcat (him and his team mates...)
...I reckon that's as much as I can do as a simple fan (no matter how concerned I am about the situation); and maybe (just maybe) a few years from now Rogersville will win their one and only game of the season against a team with a winning record on their way to a Small COC title
Why would they let you in for just football? They don't gain from that.
Quit getting your panties in a wad because bolivar hasn't had a legitimate chance to prove that they are any good (except of course the drubbing by Harrisonville)..
Liberator Dad
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KCHI. Great question. The answer is yes. We can schedule three non conference games. In this cycle we scheduled Class 5 Branson, Class 5 Ozark and perennial power Harrisonville.
This is the bottom line the way I see it Mit and I will leave you alone and I apologize if I'm coming off harshly but, one of the five teams you cheer for, Lamar, has a margin of victory equal to or greater than Bolivar's the last three years but I don't ever see you accusing them of running the score up. The majority of the teams they played also had a losing record but I don't here you saying a Big 8 championship wasn't an accomplishent. Yes, it Ruffles my feathers when I see this kind of talk. Coach Roweton has taken a losing program that was getting trampled on every year and turned it in to a winning program with ten great quality playoff wins over state ranked teams including one that was ranked number one in the state when we beat them.
I also take it personally because when you say Bolivar's conference championships are nothing to be proud of it is the same as telling me my son's accomplishments during his four years don't mean anything.
I would never say Lamar's accomplishments don't matter because they have built a better program than the other schools in their conference. I would never say Webb City's accomplishments don't matter because they have built a better program than everyone else in their conference.
And O Line, the reason is we are one of the smaller Class 4 schools in football but people forget we are Class 2 or 3 in many other sports. Are we supposed to take all of our programs and have them compete two or three classes up just because our football team wins the conference every year. I don't hear this argument about any other school. Talking smack is fine. I don't get in to it but, I also have a lot of pride in what my son did here, what my school has done and what can happen in the future.
Anyway, enough said. What I think isn't going to change anything. But I feel better having said it.
This is the bottom line the way I see it Mit and I will leave you alone and I apologize if I'm coming off harshly but, one of the five teams you cheer for, Lamar, has a margin of victory equal to or greater than Bolivar's the last three years but I don't ever see you accusing them of running the score up. The majority of the teams they played also had a losing record but I don't here you saying a Big 8 championship wasn't an accomplishent. Yes, it Ruffles my feathers when I see this kind of talk. Coach Roweton has taken a losing program that was getting trampled on every year and turned it in to a winning program with ten great quality playoff wins over state ranked teams including one that was ranked number one in the state when we beat them.
I also take it personally because when you say Bolivar's conference championships are nothing to be proud of it is the same as telling me my son's accomplishments during his four years don't mean anything.
I would never say Lamar's accomplishments don't matter because they have built a better program than the other schools in their conference. I would never say Webb City's accomplishments don't matter because they have built a better program than everyone else in their conference.
And O Line, the reason is we are one of the smaller Class 4 schools in football but people forget we are Class 2 or 3 in many other sports. Are we supposed to take all of our programs and have them compete two or three classes up just because our football team wins the conference every year. I don't hear this argument about any other school. Talking smack is fine. I don't get in to it but, I also have a lot of pride in what my son did here, what my school has done and what can happen in the future.
Anyway, enough said. What I think isn't going to change anything. But I feel better having said it.
First of all, from the scheduling standpoint, those are actually 3 really good noncon games.. Playing up twice against sure win teams, and an very good class 4 team (record) so all three help when it comes to district seeding. (I think mits comments are funny, but I myself dont think much of it. Bad records don't necessarily mean bad teams (Helias) although in your schedules case, it mostly does. But that's besides the point. There are pros and cons. Helias plays a rugged schedule, but they are beat up because of it.. Does that help more? It doesn't REALLY matter either way.
As far as the conference, I understand why you wouldn't want to join in all sports, but that's still the reason they won't accept (and they might not either way, for the same reason you stated...)
A valid point that hadn't considered; my apologies (sincerely).
That being said, comparing Bolivar's success to Lamar's or Webb's is just silly (respond if you'd like).
Comparing their success, silly... The point he's making, still valid.... But still gives me a chuckle. I do understand the point about your sons accomplishments though, libdad, in my 2 conference championships in high school, we were the only class 3 team in a class 2 conference.. We definitely heard about it.
It's not even a Class thing in my mind, it's a level of competition thing...
I don't really get what is so important about high school football that would make (i assume) grown men argue and tear down other people's schools, programs, and most importantly their kids. Who cares how another community runs their program? If it works for them and they are proud of it, great!
Comparing quality of schedules and wins could be useful in predicting a potential match-up, and it doesn't have to be sprinkled with jabs and insults, but just to convince others that a given program is lousy doesn't seem to serve much positive purpose.
Years ago all the garbage coming from the Webb fans (and I was a webb fan) and trash talking other schools slowly drove me away from this site. I just don't really get it. It's a sport. And a kids sport at that.
Comparing quality of schedules and wins could be useful in predicting a potential match-up, and it doesn't have to be sprinkled with jabs and insults, but just to convince others that a given program is lousy doesn't seem to serve much positive purpose.
Years ago all the garbage coming from the Webb fans (and I was a webb fan) and trash talking other schools slowly drove me away from this site. I just don't really get it. It's a sport. And a kids sport at that.
But there isn't any fun in that! I spend a solid 5-6 hours a day on this site Monday-Friday because I enjoy reading the banter and witty comments. I don't enjoy it when the insults get personal or really try to cause harm but for the most part, I just enough laughing at it all.
Liberator Dad
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I agree but I have to admit I wear my heart on my sleeve and I am defensive when I hear folks disaparage a program that I and my sons have put a lot of effort in to. No hard feeling though. It is still America.
LibDad, as a Lamar fan it ruffles my feathers when you bring Lamar into your discussion. For your information, Lamar has wins over several teams with winning records. They have beaten Class 4 CJ 56-34, 8-1, Class 3 Monett 29-12, 7-2, Class 3 Aurora 41-0, 5-4, and Class 2 Butler 56-24, 7-2. Lamar plays a tough schedule every year and next year has scheduled Valle Catholic to replace the CJ vacancy. Maryville turned down Lamar's request to play. So, Lamar has played and beaten teams with winning records, unlike Bolivar.
Liberator Dad
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Tiger,
Apologies. The point of my post was not to say that Lamar is not a good team or that I have any issue with your margin of scores or the teams that you play. It was specifically pointed at Mit and the fact that he has no problems with your score margins or your level of competition. We too schedule up in our non-conference season and also schedule Harrisonville. Nothing we can do about the conference. You will get no argument from me that Lamar is a great team, scores a lot of points, has a great coaching staff and great kids.
Apologies. The point of my post was not to say that Lamar is not a good team or that I have any issue with your margin of scores or the teams that you play. It was specifically pointed at Mit and the fact that he has no problems with your score margins or your level of competition. We too schedule up in our non-conference season and also schedule Harrisonville. Nothing we can do about the conference. You will get no argument from me that Lamar is a great team, scores a lot of points, has a great coaching staff and great kids.
If you have been around high school football long, you know that sometimes there is nothing you can do about the lopsided score. The problem is sometimes there are things you can do and SOME don't, some as I said have before keep the hammer down. Sometimes its not even a blowout, but what you do late in a multiple score game that can show lack of class. And, once you get that reputation of doing it repeatedly, you tend to lose the benefit of the doubt.
Bolivar's wins this year:
1-8 Ozark 28 - 7
1-8 Branson 52 - 6
2-7 Hollister 74 - 0
3-6 Marshfield 53 - 0
1-8 Buffalo 68 - 6
3-6 Logan-Rogersville 69 - 0
3-6 Springfield Catholic 49 - 0
8-1 Reeds Spring 50 - 27
That's some title! (14 straight, baby!)
I guess next year's blowout of Log-Rog is on me
I see what you did there.
You do realize Lib Dad that Big 8 schools that you're saying lamar whipped the last few years usually have their way the second best teams in the COC small that Bolivar whips. Bolivar beat Reeds last year at Reeds by 5 points 33--28 and I believe it was on some last minute heroics. Last year Monett who finished third in the big 8 beat Reeds 21-0 at Reeds. In 2013 Reeds was the second place finisher again in the COC small conference with their only lose being to Bolivar and Aurora who was a pedestrian 2-5 in the big 8 darn near in last place went into Reeds and beat them by 9 points. 2012 Monett who was 4-3 in the big 8 and embarrassed Reeds 35-6 who lost to Bolivar 36-16 and Catholic 18-21.
Now if you go back to 2011 LR who finished 2nd in the COC small would soundly beat the Big 8 champs Cassville Wildcats 28-7, But historically the lower finishing Big 8 teams fair better against the COC small schools overall.
Now if you look back historically at Bolivar Versus the Big 8 2004 Bolivar beat Monett twice once in overtime and another on the final play as they intercepted a Monett pass in the end zone to end the game in the playoffs. 2005 Cassville whips Bolivar in the playoffs 31-7,2006 Mt Vernon Whips Bolivar in the playoffs 48-7, 2007 again Mt Vernon beats Bolivar 31-21 Mt Vernon finished 4-3 in the Big 8 conference that year. in 2008 Bolivar moves to class 4.
I know your point was to say Bolivar's Championships were legit just as the others but Lamar won state titles and never won the big 8 until this year. But all you really pointing out by bringing in Lamar and the Big 8 into this argument is how weak Bolivars schedule really has been the last few years as the lower big 8 teams usually fair well against the COC small schools head to head. So please leave out Lamar and the Big 8.
And again Built is a strong Word as for Lamar, yes they are doing very well in Class 2 and yes they are currently a power in the big 8 currently and with CJ leaving they could become a power, but remember this is their first outright conference championship of any conference since like 1930something. I don't see Lamar dropping off in the near future but all things cycle Cassville won 4 straight conference championships and two state titles and look were they are now. It is a cycle thing in small schools you go up and you can go down just as fast, coaches can leave things happen, one sure thing is life goes on well for awhile. All that matters in the end is if you believe your kids accomplished something and that you are proud of them.
bullit: Your point is well taken.. but I do have to say something about your wording and how you mention the Big 8 handling Reeds Spring. I mean, come on, unless the Wolves win the district, yes, it is going to be a Big 8 team that knocks them out. No way around that. Yes Monett did beat Reeds Spring last year 21-0 but it was a very even ballgame and if you remember was scoreless until :38 seconds left in the third quarter. And Reeds Spring had to try to open it up in the fourth and the Cubs took advantage of Reeds Spring turnovers. Yes, Aurora did beat Reeds Spring the year before, but the game was not at Reeds Spring it was in Ozark. Reeds Spring led the majority of the game. And finally, not sure what Reeds Spring had to be embarrassed about in 2012. Monett was the better team.... but again scoreless for quite a while, The Cubs hit a "hail mary" for a 60 yd touchdown with :31 seconds left in the half.
Not trying to start anything at all, happy of the Cubs success, nothing but class folks there, enjoy seeing them play. But I think you could have made your point to Bolivar without coming after the Wolves in the matter you did (even if it was not meant to sound like that)
Not trying to start anything at all, happy of the Cubs success, nothing but class folks there, enjoy seeing them play. But I think you could have made your point to Bolivar without coming after the Wolves in the matter you did (even if it was not meant to sound like that)
C.J. and Butler are going to be out of the schedule for Lamar in the next cycle. They have filled one of those spots with Valle, but another may be open. Bolivar isn't too far and would be a nice fit ?
I have heard plans of possibly Frontenac, but I don't think this board could handle the traffic of another Kansas game with Lamar.
I have heard plans of possibly Frontenac, but I don't think this board could handle the traffic of another Kansas game with Lamar.
I was not trying to disparage the Wolves, the liberator started down this road by comparing Lamar wins and victory margins. I am just pointing out that what Lamar did they did against stiffer competition in the big 8. The Wolves finished a close second to Bolivar in the COC small last year again only last minute heroics kept Reeds from winning. Yes Monett only beat Reeds 21-0 last year and the game was a nail bitter for awhile especially up until halftime at Reeds house but Monett still won by 3tds Bolivar won by what 5 points? And Monett finished 3rd in the Big 8 last year. I am pretty confident that CJ, Lamar would have beaten Bolivar last year, Monett might have been able to, but hard to tell, so were would that have left the Wolves in that conference? Same as when a 2-5 Aurora in the Big 8 beat Reeds that finished 7-1 in the COC small .....what do you think those 5 schools that beat Aurora could have done against Reeds or possible Bolivar?
Now all that being said I know Reeds is trying to build a program and I think they are doing a good job at it, they have several winning seasons back to back, good kids and a good high school coach. I also think a lot of that can be contributed to when they moved their youth program over to a more competitive league, you could see back then the kids were getting better and saw what it was going to take to compete at a higher lever. Wonder if the same could be said for the high school? Again this is all a cycle thing I am sure Monett will cycle back down, just like every school does, (well besides Webb). Just be proud of your kids and your program.
It was the very end of the third quarter last year before anyone scored.. but yes I get where you are coming from. I know you were not trying to put our guys down, but I had to say something just like you would; had the shoe been on the other foot. And yes, I do think Monett would have beaten Bolivar last year. Two years ago, Peavey's senior year, not sure anyone from the Big 8 would have beaten the Libs. CJ and Lamar would both of been battles and could have gone either way.
thinking the Cubs are going to be good for a while. You lost a ton of guys after last season and a coach and you guys continue to roll, its fun to watch. Hope we get a chance to play again. (because that would mean we are both back in the district championship game)
thinking the Cubs are going to be good for a while. You lost a ton of guys after last season and a coach and you guys continue to roll, its fun to watch. Hope we get a chance to play again. (because that would mean we are both back in the district championship game)
Liberator Dad
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I think maybe everyone on this thread missed the point LOL... Anyway.... Liberator wins don't count.... I get it...
Why does everybody dog on Bolivar? Their season is usually over after week 10 or 11 anyway.
JoeyNorthlandoKCMO
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