Congrats to KC Royals on first legitimate championship
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Couldn't resist. Sorry.
One if the sorriest posts I've seen in a while!
I guess beating a sorry franchise like the 85 Cards, who were no-shows in the 11-0 game 7 thumping by KC, possibly doesn't count? Anyway, good point Frog as the Mets did make the Royals work overtime (twice) to win it all this time - it wasn't quite as easy as thirty years ago.
KC Royals - World Champions and back to back World Series appearances
Anyway, good point Frog as the Mets did make the Royals work overtime (twice) to win it all this time - it wasn't quite as easy as thirty years ago.
KC Royals - World Champions and back to back World Series appearances
Personally, I am not going to bash StL as I root for the Cards too. For me, another I-70 Show Me Fall Classic would be awesome in which to be World champs you gotta be Missouri Champs. I just don't understand the KC bashing. For Peat's sake it has been 30 years (ha). There are a few Cardinal fans that need to let it go or seek professional help
You mean a sorry franchise that won 100 games that season? Wouldn't bring up the franchise records if I were a Royals fan. Nice little 2 year window long way to go to catch St. Louis.
Anyway, good point Frog as the Mets did make the Royals work overtime (twice) to win it all this time - it wasn't quite as easy as thirty years ago.
KC Royals - World Champions and back to back World Series appearances
Thank God this was the only call missed in the entire 7 game series. And the Cards themselves made zero mistakes. Or, more factual....
From Wikipedia:
Two missed calls affected the outcome of Game 6. In the fourth inning of the 0–0 game, the Royals' Frank White was called out on an attempted steal of second base, but replays show he had beaten the tag. The following batter, Pat Sheridan, hit a single to right field.
Then in the ninth inning with St. Louis leading 1–0, Jorge Orta led off the bottom of the ninth with a ground ball to Cardinal first baseman Jack Clark, who flipped the ball to Cardinal pitcher Todd Worrell covering first. First base umpire Don Denkinger called Orta safe, but television replays showed that Worrell beat him to the base. Then, after Clark and catcher Darrell Porter let a foul pop drop between them, Steve Balbonimade them pay for their mistake with a single to left two pitches later, moving Orta to second base. Jim Sundberg's attempted sacrifice bunt, instead of moving up the runners, ended up getting Orta thrown out at third. With Hal McRae batting next, Cardinals' catcher and 1982 World Series MVP Darrell Porter, who had played four seasons with the Royals, allowed a passed ball, and both Kansas City runners moved up a base. McRae was then intentionally walked to load the bases. Dane Iorg, who had played parts of eight seasons with the Cardinals before being sold to the Royals in the previous season, 1984, would then pinch hit for Dan Quisenberry, and his single to right field drove in two runs giving Kansas City a 2–1 win. The only out recorded by the Cardinals in the inning was Orta (at third instead of first). Years of debate between Cardinals' and Royals' fans have followed over what might have happened if Orta had been put out at first instead of third.
Summary: if White was safe, it's 1-1 in the bottom of the 9th, an inning in which the Cardinals fell apart because of a second missed call - not very "champion-like". Sort of like the Cubs falling apart because of Bartman.
From Wikipedia:
Two missed calls affected the outcome of Game 6. In the fourth inning of the 0–0 game, the Royals' Frank White was called out on an attempted steal of second base, but replays show he had beaten the tag. The following batter, Pat Sheridan, hit a single to right field.
Then in the ninth inning with St. Louis leading 1–0, Jorge Orta led off the bottom of the ninth with a ground ball to Cardinal first baseman Jack Clark, who flipped the ball to Cardinal pitcher Todd Worrell covering first. First base umpire Don Denkinger called Orta safe, but television replays showed that Worrell beat him to the base. Then, after Clark and catcher Darrell Porter let a foul pop drop between them, Steve Balbonimade them pay for their mistake with a single to left two pitches later, moving Orta to second base. Jim Sundberg's attempted sacrifice bunt, instead of moving up the runners, ended up getting Orta thrown out at third. With Hal McRae batting next, Cardinals' catcher and 1982 World Series MVP Darrell Porter, who had played four seasons with the Royals, allowed a passed ball, and both Kansas City runners moved up a base. McRae was then intentionally walked to load the bases. Dane Iorg, who had played parts of eight seasons with the Cardinals before being sold to the Royals in the previous season, 1984, would then pinch hit for Dan Quisenberry, and his single to right field drove in two runs giving Kansas City a 2–1 win. The only out recorded by the Cardinals in the inning was Orta (at third instead of first). Years of debate between Cardinals' and Royals' fans have followed over what might have happened if Orta had been put out at first instead of third.
Summary: if White was safe, it's 1-1 in the bottom of the 9th, an inning in which the Cardinals fell apart because of a second missed call - not very "champion-like". Sort of like the Cubs falling apart because of Bartman.
I'll pass on a little advice that someone once gave me:
"Don't go using facts on here, it screws up the whole message board concept!"
From a fan of both teams, ( there was no IL play back then, so I rooted for either and in this case both to be in The Series and wore both team colors over the course of the seven games) I will admit to not being a judge of baseball talent so I can't tell you if the more talented team won or not. However based on character, I'd say the right team won in 1985.
Pretty easy to overcome something that happens in the 4th inning. The bottom of the 9th is a bit different. But you know that.
Nobody in KC felt guilty or even fortunate about the call, for we all witnessed the Frank White blown call. It was even Steven after the Dekinger break. How about the Cards blowing a series lead lol Then in game 7, their ace Andjuar (spellchk) came unglued when the Royals piss pounded him to a rout. Illigetimate WSC my arse.
No photo, but you can FF the video. Frank White batted clean-up in the WS, after Brett. The throw beat Frank to the bag, but Frank slid under it.
Is that the only angle? Looks pretty close below the knee/before foot touched base.
What's the over/under on when Cards fans are going to stop whining about the 1985 world series? I'm going with about 151 years from now. St Louis vs KC arguments never get old lol.
It is 1985, doubt there are too many other angles.....looks safe to me, tag did not touch until it hit his hip in my opinion. But it is close, and the throw did beat him there. Thought he was safe in '85, and still think the same today
Prior to replays existence White is called out 95 times out of 100. If the ball beat you there you were called out. Tag or no. That's the way it was called then.
With replay now the umps are finally paying better attention to the tag. Replay has improved umpiring. KC fans should stop whining about a 4th inning stolen base. Cards got screwed. Face it.
Say what you may about how it was called, when your foot hits the bag before you get tagged it is safe, no matter what time period....He was safe and would have probably scored on the single. Both teams got hosed on calls is the point to be made
KC only had 1 out in the 9th when the go ahead run was scored. That 1 out was Orta out at 3rd. If Orta is out at 1st, KC still scores the tying run with 2 outs and a runner on 2nd.
Can't help but think about an Andy Griffith episode where Andy is trying to teach Opie the difference between being a good loser and a poor loser. Pa then asks his boy, "so which do you want to be?"
Opie answers, "I want to be a good WINNER!"
Pa says, "so that's the way you feel about it? Then I have just one more thing to say. I'm DISAPPOINTED in ya."
Cardinal fans who can't accept defeat graciously 30 years later: "I'm disappointed in ya."
Opie answers, "I want to be a good WINNER!"
Pa says, "so that's the way you feel about it? Then I have just one more thing to say. I'm DISAPPOINTED in ya."
Cardinal fans who can't accept defeat graciously 30 years later: "I'm disappointed in ya."
Just be happy knowing you finally won a legit title. You have one hell of a lineup and a kick butt bullpen. The fact that you had to trade for a classless, cheap shot, dirt bag like Cueto to win shouldn't diminish it too much.
JoeyNorthlandoKCMO
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Yeah, the errors by Jack Clark and Porter...the two hits, and the two walks by Worrell, and two runs, with only one out remaining, had NOTHING to do with it.
Couldn't resist. Sorry.
The St Louis Red turds have been around since the early 1900's. Royals are an expansion team founded in 1969. Our owner died in the early 1990's and John Shulerholz left. It took the Royals until 2013 to become repectable again ( one winning season in 1993) In that time we traded all our key players or lost them to free agency were at the bottom of the payroll scale. The 2015 Royals are arguably the greatest World Series team in history adding to sweetness of the franchises remarkable and unlikely success. Yes we have new fans. Yes we lost two decades of fans. All is a moot point now.[/QUOTE]
How about 800,000 plus fans showing up to the Royals' parade and rally, when the population of KC is only 447,000.....I'd say we have fans.
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