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Climate Change getting worse, and so are the Republican excuses - article from Esquire.

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Apparently, the Republicans are having bear-baiting competitions all over Nevada tonight. (I'm hoping somebody has a camera at a caucus in, say, Laughlin, in which the forces of He, Trump feel that they're being hosed. A new venue for the latest UFC production!) This is probably a smart play. All of the candidates on that side of the field have pronounced themselves not fooled by the Great Climate Change Hoax and, if things keep going the way they are, Nevada will have substantial beachfront property to sell one day.

Though these types of floods often produce only a foot or two of standing saltwater, they are straining life in many towns by killing lawns and trees, blocking neighborhood streets and clogging storm drains, polluting supplies of freshwater and sometimes stranding entire island communities for hours by overtopping the roads that tie them to the mainland. Such events are just an early harbinger of the coming damage, the new research suggests. "I think we need a new way to think about most coastal flooding," said Benjamin H. Strauss, the primary author of one of two related studies released on Monday. "It's not the tide. It's not the wind. It's us. That's true for most of the coastal floods we now experience."

The fact that one-half of our political system is pledged to the absolute denial of an existential threat to life on the planet is an altogether remarkable thing that is commented on not nearly enough in our national dialogue. Here's your Republican frontrunner.

Most recently, on Dec. 30, 2015, Trump told the crowd at a rally in Hilton Head, S.C., "Obama's talking about all of this with the global warming and … a lot of it's a hoax. It's a hoax. I mean, it's a money-making industry, OK? It's a hoax, a lot of it." That's three times using "hoax" in one sentence. Trump has also used the word on Twitter since that 2012 tweet. On Jan. 25, 2014, Trump tweeted, "NBC News just called it the great freeze—coldest weather in years.

And here's one of his primary rivals.

CRUZ: There is a fundamental difference, which is in the name of global warming, you have politicians trying to impose trillions of dollars of cost on the world. In the I-95 Corridor, among the Washington elite, global warming is very popular because it makes you feel good about caring for the world. But I'll tell you, you know who I'm concerned about? I'm concerned about the single mom waiting tables right now, who for seven years of the Obama economy has been trapped in stagnation. Her wages have been stagnating. It's harder and harder to make ends meet. And what the Washington elites are trying to do is double her energy bill.

The "moderate" Republican position is to admit that, yes, the climate is changing but, no, we don't really know why, and also there's nothing we can do about it short of pauperizing the country.

Young Marco Rubio, whose home state is headed for a future as an elaborately festooned coral reef, is particularly fond of this line of argument. Maybe it's unreasonable for us to expect to act as a species because we decline so strongly the opportunity to confront the climate as a nation. The ocean doesn't care. It declines to participate in earnest debates about federalism and the role of government. It just keeps on eating bits of Florida
 
I don't know a single person who believes the climate ISNT changing, just the affect we have on it.
 
Apparently, the Republicans are having bear-baiting competitions all over Nevada tonight. (I'm hoping somebody has a camera at a caucus in, say, Laughlin, in which the forces of He, Trump feel that they're being hosed. A new venue for the latest UFC production!) This is probably a smart play. All of the candidates on that side of the field have pronounced themselves not fooled by the Great Climate Change Hoax and, if things keep going the way they are, Nevada will have substantial beachfront property to sell one day.

Though these types of floods often produce only a foot or two of standing saltwater, they are straining life in many towns by killing lawns and trees, blocking neighborhood streets and clogging storm drains, polluting supplies of freshwater and sometimes stranding entire island communities for hours by overtopping the roads that tie them to the mainland. Such events are just an early harbinger of the coming damage, the new research suggests. "I think we need a new way to think about most coastal flooding," said Benjamin H. Strauss, the primary author of one of two related studies released on Monday. "It's not the tide. It's not the wind. It's us. That's true for most of the coastal floods we now experience."

The fact that one-half of our political system is pledged to the absolute denial of an existential threat to life on the planet is an altogether remarkable thing that is commented on not nearly enough in our national dialogue. Here's your Republican frontrunner.

Most recently, on Dec. 30, 2015, Trump told the crowd at a rally in Hilton Head, S.C., "Obama's talking about all of this with the global warming and … a lot of it's a hoax. It's a hoax. I mean, it's a money-making industry, OK? It's a hoax, a lot of it." That's three times using "hoax" in one sentence. Trump has also used the word on Twitter since that 2012 tweet. On Jan. 25, 2014, Trump tweeted, "NBC News just called it the great freeze—coldest weather in years.

And here's one of his primary rivals.

CRUZ: There is a fundamental difference, which is in the name of global warming, you have politicians trying to impose trillions of dollars of cost on the world. In the I-95 Corridor, among the Washington elite, global warming is very popular because it makes you feel good about caring for the world. But I'll tell you, you know who I'm concerned about? I'm concerned about the single mom waiting tables right now, who for seven years of the Obama economy has been trapped in stagnation. Her wages have been stagnating. It's harder and harder to make ends meet. And what the Washington elites are trying to do is double her energy bill.

The "moderate" Republican position is to admit that, yes, the climate is changing but, no, we don't really know why, and also there's nothing we can do about it short of pauperizing the country.

Young Marco Rubio, whose home state is headed for a future as an elaborately festooned coral reef, is particularly fond of this line of argument. Maybe it's unreasonable for us to expect to act as a species because we decline so strongly the opportunity to confront the climate as a nation. The ocean doesn't care. It declines to participate in earnest debates about federalism and the role of government. It just keeps on eating bits of Florida


Perhaps as a nation "united" we can work "together" on such issues...:rolleyes:
 
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I don't know a single person who believes the climate ISNT changing, just the affect we have on it.
I don't know of anyone that realizes the contaminants we put into the environment that can honestly say it's not having some negative outcome.
 
I don't know a single person who believes the climate ISNT changing, just the affect we have on it.

Give the Federal Government more regulatory power on US businesses and consumers and let the Chinese and Indian industries pollute to their hearts content. That should fix the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer #notcausedbySUVs

BTW it is a hoax in as much that opportunists like Gore fly all around the world and get rich by telling "other" people what they need to do about it.
 
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Give the Federal Government more regulatory power on US businesses and consumers and let the Chinese and Indian industries pollute to their hearts content. That should fix the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer #notcausedbySUVs

BTW it is a hoax in as much that opportunists like Gore fly all around the world and get rich by telling "other" people what they need to do about it.
The problem is these governments won't do anything if the US doesn't do something as well. This is why the US's involvement in Paris was important.

And the Chinese have already started moving on this point pretty strongly. The Chinese government gets that pollution/environmental issues are a real problem in their country. The external indicators show that they are moving on this. Their coal imports have gone down a lot - it's part of what is killing US coal companies.
 
The problem is these governments won't do anything if the US doesn't do something as well. This is why the US's involvement in Paris was important.

And the Chinese have already started moving on this point pretty strongly. The Chinese government gets that pollution/environmental issues are a real problem in their country. The external indicators show that they are moving on this. Their coal imports have gone down a lot - it's part of what is killing US coal companies.


http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/26/govt-report-details-how-epa-regs-will-kill-coal/

Maybe a small part but the EPA is mostly what is killing US coal companies.
 
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/26/govt-report-details-how-epa-regs-will-kill-coal/

Maybe a small part but the EPA is mostly what is killing US coal companies.
Natural gas (fracking) is what is really killing coal in the US right now. The regs hurt, too, but the cost of gas is so low that it is more economical to run a gas plant than a coal plant right now. Keep in mind that there are basically no anti-carbon regs in the US at the moment yet power companies are all running away from coal because of the economics of natural gas.

And the price of even cleaner sources of energy continues to decline to where coal is looking like it will be less and less useful. Coal is a dying fuel source in the US whether or not the Clean Power Plan exists.

Further, coal is a dirtier fuel source than gas or renewables, and government regulations should account for that. It's not just carbon - coal is the cause of things like acid rain that require regulatory controls.
 
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Coal should be killed, to be honest.

Unless you have a nuclear plant, windmill farm or hydroelectric dam nearby your electric cars(with subsidies to make them marketable ...but that is a different story) and computers, ipads, etc are running on coal . At least in part...

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2014:

  • Coal = 39%
  • Natural gas = 27%
  • Nuclear = 19%
  • Hydropower = 6%
  • Other renewables = 7%
    • Biomass = 1.7%
    • Geothermal = 0.4%
    • Solar = 0.4%
    • Wind = 4.4%
  • Petroleum = 1%
  • Other gases < 1%
 
BTW, I'm not against all the other forms or energy but solar power 0.4% and geothermal is not going to take up the slack.
 
BTW, I'm not against all the other forms or energy but solar power 0.4% and geothermal is not going to take up the slack.
Florida is a good example of how republicans (koch brothers) fight solar. It is next to impossible for a citizen to install solar panels even if they wanted to.
 
Unless you have a nuclear plant, windmill farm or hydroelectric dam nearby your electric cars(with subsidies to make them marketable ...but that is a different story) and computers, ipads, etc are running on coal . At least in part...

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2014:

  • Coal = 39%
  • Natural gas = 27%
  • Nuclear = 19%
  • Hydropower = 6%
  • Other renewables = 7%
    • Biomass = 1.7%
    • Geothermal = 0.4%
    • Solar = 0.4%
    • Wind = 4.4%
  • Petroleum = 1%
  • Other gases < 1%
If you live in Missouri, there's a pretty decent chance your electricity is nuclear or natural gas.

In the short term, natural gas will replace coal. Long term, I'd like nuclear to be the baseload energy source with wind, solar, and hydroelectric where it makes sense. I'm not naive enough to think gas is going away anytime soon, but coal should be quickly phased out.
 
Florida is a good example of how republicans (koch brothers) fight solar. It is next to impossible for a citizen to install solar panels even if they wanted to.
I thought the GOP was for the market deciding everything?
 
I will agree that solar and wind are not baseload energy sources, at least any time soon. Plus, solar is really dirty to manufacture and wind farms are really natural gas plants in disguise.
 
Not when it affects the $$$ of their donors and base

I see you use these terms to make many of your points. Please define all of the below for me so I can get a better understanding of how you see Republicans from "your" perspective.

GOP
Evangelic Christian Voter
Conservatism
Base
Far Right
Tea Party
True Conservative
Republican Leadership
Republican Voter
Independent Voter
 
If you live in Missouri, there's a pretty decent chance your electricity is nuclear or natural gas.

In the short term, natural gas will replace coal. Long term, I'd like nuclear to be the baseload energy source with wind, solar, and hydroelectric where it makes sense. I'm not naive enough to think gas is going away anytime soon, but coal should be quickly phased out.

The last part of the last line just makes me shake my damn head. A lot of families are hurting because of the coal industry collapse. Don't be so flippant about it.
 
It should be transitioned out to the extent possible, it's really, really dirty even if you ignore carbon. Coal literally kills people.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about when it comes to mining coal? I doubt it.
 
The last part of the last line just makes me shake my damn head. A lot of families are hurting because of the coal industry collapse. Don't be so flippant about it.

Yes, it's painful for them, but you also have to acknowledge that a lot of jobs are being created in natural gas and in green technologies. And someone has to build those new power plants. The painful thing is the geography of where the jobs are lost vs. where the new ones are.

No one is being flippant. The point is that coal is killing thousands of people a year in the US and it is killing our planet, and we cannot let that happen just to save the employment of a subset of people.
 
Yes, it's painful for them, but you also have to acknowledge that a lot of jobs are being created in natural gas and in green technologies. And someone has to build those new power plants. The painful thing is the geography of where the jobs are lost vs. where the new ones are.
No one is being flippant when they point out that coal kills thousands of Americans a year.

Where is the "proof" that clean energy is working?

The US government financially backed $535 million worth of loans to the colossal failure Solyndra, it went bankrupt.

Tesla has developed an amazing "fossil free" car thats places ZERO carbon omissions into the atmosphere...
The Model X
You may own it yourself for $150,000

The "Smart Car" was promoted by the Left as the future of the American automobile.
How many of you own one?

Wind Turbines cover the landscape of high elevations throughout the country, yet their overall contribution to replacing fossil fuels are very small.
At a cost of 1.3 to 2.2 million I think I will pass.

Nuclear, the most promising clean energy outside of natural gas is still just a pipe dream.
After Three Mile Island in 1979, that industry has been ironically shut down by the Lefts environmentalist.

So where is the proof that any of these "Clean Energy Solutions" are working?
 
The last part of the last line just makes me shake my damn head. A lot of families are hurting because of the coal industry collapse. Don't be so flippant about it.
That really is too bad for them, but it's for the good of the country.
 
My wife's cousin works in the oil industry, and they are hurting. Too bad the oil industry has been putting it to us for a long time. Collateral damage. It happens.
 
Where is the "proof" that clean energy is working?

The US government financially backed $535 million worth of loans to the colossal failure Solyndra, it went bankrupt.

Tesla has developed an amazing "fossil free" car thats places ZERO carbon omissions into the atmosphere...
The Model X
You may own it yourself for $150,000

The "Smart Car" was promoted by the Left as the future of the American automobile.
How many of you own one?

Wind Turbines cover the landscape of high elevations throughout the country, yet their overall contribution to replacing fossil fuels are very small.
At a cost of 1.3 to 2.2 million I think I will pass.

Nuclear, the most promising clean energy outside of natural gas is still just a pipe dream.
After Three Mile Island in 1979, that industry has been ironically shut down by the Lefts environmentalist.

So where is the proof that any of these "Clean Energy Solutions" are working?
Look at the price of the technology
 
Look at the price of the technology

So you are saying that all of the above failures were worth it?

Do you feel the same about Clean Burn Coal Plants ?
Everyone agrees that the cost to make the conversion would cost jobs as well as raise utilities bills.

As for the new technology creating jobs...for who?

Most Americans do not have the education needed to work for industries with advanced technologies.


 
If you live in Missouri, there's a pretty decent chance your electricity is nuclear or natural gas.

In the short term, natural gas will replace coal. Long term, I'd like nuclear to be the baseload energy source with wind, solar, and hydroelectric where it makes sense. I'm not naive enough to think gas is going away anytime soon, but coal should be quickly phased out.

Not that decent of a chance....


QUICK FACTS
  • The Rockies Express Pipeline (REX) is a 42-inch, 1,679-mile natural gas pipeline stretching from Colorado to Ohio. The REX West portion of the system passes near Kansas City, Missouri, before terminating in northeast Missouri where it meets the REX East pipeline.
  • Missouri was the first state west of the Mississippi River to produce coal commercially.
  • Coal supplied 83% of Missouri’s net electricity generation in 2013.
  • Missouri has one nuclear power plant, Callaway Nuclear Generating Station, which contributed 9% of the state's net electricity generation in 2013.
  • Renewable energy resources accounted for nearly 3% of Missouri's net electricity generation in 2013; most of that generation came from conventional hydroelectric power and wind.
  • Nine out of 10 Missouri households use a central air conditioning system, a characteristic more like homes in the South than those in the Midwest, according to EIA's Residential Energy Consumption Survey.
Last Updated: February 19, 2015
 
Not that decent of a chance....


QUICK FACTS
  • The Rockies Express Pipeline (REX) is a 42-inch, 1,679-mile natural gas pipeline stretching from Colorado to Ohio. The REX West portion of the system passes near Kansas City, Missouri, before terminating in northeast Missouri where it meets the REX East pipeline.
  • Missouri was the first state west of the Mississippi River to produce coal commercially.
  • Coal supplied 83% of Missouri’s net electricity generation in 2013.
  • Missouri has one nuclear power plant, Callaway Nuclear Generating Station, which contributed 9% of the state's net electricity generation in 2013.
  • Renewable energy resources accounted for nearly 3% of Missouri's net electricity generation in 2013; most of that generation came from conventional hydroelectric power and wind.
  • Nine out of 10 Missouri households use a central air conditioning system, a characteristic more like homes in the South than those in the Midwest, according to EIA's Residential Energy Consumption Survey.
Last Updated: February 19, 2015
That number is going to change a lot over the next 25 years. I would bet it's not zero, though.
 
Not that decent of a chance....


QUICK FACTS
  • The Rockies Express Pipeline (REX) is a 42-inch, 1,679-mile natural gas pipeline stretching from Colorado to Ohio. The REX West portion of the system passes near Kansas City, Missouri, before terminating in northeast Missouri where it meets the REX East pipeline.
  • Missouri was the first state west of the Mississippi River to produce coal commercially.
  • Coal supplied 83% of Missouri’s net electricity generation in 2013.
  • Missouri has one nuclear power plant, Callaway Nuclear Generating Station, which contributed 9% of the state's net electricity generation in 2013.
  • Renewable energy resources accounted for nearly 3% of Missouri's net electricity generation in 2013; most of that generation came from conventional hydroelectric power and wind.
  • Nine out of 10 Missouri households use a central air conditioning system, a characteristic more like homes in the South than those in the Midwest, according to EIA's Residential Energy Consumption Survey.
Last Updated: February 19, 2015
There's a difference between generation and distribution.
 
There's a difference between generation and distribution.

There is also a difference between "climate change" and "climate change definitely caused by Western free market economies that only can be fixed by a federal bureaucracy."

I'm not for dirty air or water but I don't think global warming/climate change is largely about global warming/climate change.
 
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