Can we name a Missouri high school teams who has 3 or more transfers in one year

[metro-dude]

We have rumors that a Missouri high school team will have 3 players starting on their 2016 high school team that did not play there last season. I have followed Missouri high school basketball for more then 50 years and I can not recall this number of transfers to one team in one season.

I'm guessing this is a record that will never be broken for Missouri high school basketball teams in any of our five championship classes. I can name teams who have had one impact player move in but 2-3 impact players would be a stretch.
I'm betting Floyd Iron's ( Vashon ) teams never had over 2 transfers in one season.

Can we name teams who had two or more transfers in one season and were in the starting line up?

Bones, Expected to win, Swishmeyer, 3rfan, Studyduck, Mike27, Mfloyd,Warrior 2014 and others--What say you?

I tried to take the s out of teams in the topic but could not.

 

[TJ_DUB]

I've heard Saxony has several kids transferring in. I don't know how many, though.

 

[metro-dude]

I've heard Saxony has several kids transferring in. I don't know how many, though.

TJ, are the Saxony transfers freshmen? If they are sophomores, Juniors or Seniors, they will sit out one school year. If they are enrolling after their 8th grade year, they are indeed eligible and not considered transfers.

 

[MOsportsStaff]

Vashon this year, all Madison Prep students now there.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Vashon this year, all Madison Prep students now there.

Madison Prep no longer open? Or did they have a coaching change???

 

[metro-dude]

TJ, are the Saxony transfers freshmen? If they are sophomores, Juniors or Seniors, they will sit out one school year. If they are enrolling after their 8th grade year, they are indeed eligible and not considered transfers.

mosports

Vashon this year, all Madison Prep students now there.

mosports---Madison Prep is closing their doors. The underclassmen will enroll @ different high schools according to the school district they live in unless they are given treatment. I was not aware that the basketball players could follow Tony Irons to Vashon and be eligible. Mosports, are saying the Madison Prep basketball players are eligible @ Vashon this school year?

The MSHSAA has rules but are these rules for everyone? I find it a problem if one or more high schools moves in talent almost every year. Having said that, I don't believe the MSHSAA will investigate if someone does not make a complaint to the MSHSAA.

Let's make a list of coaches who would make a complaint if they knew of a violation--Coaches, Administrators and others--who will post here on mosports that you would turn in the violators. Maybe Mosportstaff will be the first to make the pledge against the violators.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

mosports


mosports---Madison Prep is closing their doors. The underclassmen will enroll @ different high schools according to the school district they live in unless they are given treatment. I was not aware that the basketball players could follow Tony Irons to Vashon and be eligible. Mosports, are saying the Madison Prep basketball players are eligible @ Vashon this school year?

The MSHSAA has rules but are these rules for everyone? I find it a problem if one or more high schools moves in talent almost every year. Having said that, I don't believe the MSHSAA will investigate if someone does not make a complaint to the MSHSAA.

Let's make a list of coaches who would make a complaint if they knew of a violation--Coaches, Administrators and others--who will post here on mosports that you would turn in the violators. Maybe Mosportstaff will be the first to make the pledge against the violators.

I feel like I should have heard this by now...but Tony Irons is now the head coach at Vashon???

 

[swishmeyer]

Well.....................it was pretty much understood back in February that Madison Prep would be closing down. So you mean to tell me that I was the ONLY one or one of the few that knew then and all this time how this scenario would be playing out!?!? It is REALLY quite simple folks! Tony was and remains an employee of the St. Louis Public Schools. He is and justifiably so a well-liked person and coach. Did I mention a QUITE successful coach as well? Quite frankly folks.........................if say the Springfield Public Schools closed down a High School.....................wouldn't it be possible that a coach from the shuttered school would maybe surface as the head boys coach at another school in that system with quite a few of his players there as well? I am struggling here to see any reason for concern or outrage in this matter........................

 

[TJ_DUB]

TJ, are the Saxony transfers freshmen? If they are sophomores, Juniors or Seniors, they will sit out one school year. If they are enrolling after their 8th grade year, they are indeed eligible and not considered transfers.

 

[TJ_DUB]

I'm not 100% sure what grade they are in. I'm aware a freshman coming into a regional private school is not a transfer. I've heard most are not 9th graders...I've heard.

 

[dontthumbit]

Small town schools, private schools, city schools, suburban schools....... shady stuff goes on all over the state it seems and it doesn't seem to go away. Maybe instead of 5 classes we just have 2. The ones who play by the rules and the ones who don't.

 

[metro-dude]

Well.....................it was pretty much understood back in February that Madison Prep would be closing down. So you mean to tell me that I was the ONLY one or one of the few that knew then and all this time how this scenario would be playing out!?!? It is REALLY quite simple folks! Tony was and remains an employee of the St. Louis Public Schools. He is and justifiably so a well-liked person and coach. Did I mention a QUITE successful coach as well? Quite frankly folks.........................if say the Springfield Public Schools closed down a High School.....................wouldn't it be possible that a coach from the shuttered school would maybe surface as the head boys coach at another school in that system with quite a few of his players there as well? I am struggling here to see any reason for concern or outrage in this matter........................

Swishmeyer did indeed come back to St. Louis with information after the state basketball tournament that Madison Prep was closing and Tony Irons would get another coaching position in the Public School. I believe some St. Louis public schools have open enrollment however I don't believe Vashon is one of those schools therefore I can not see how any basketball player being eligible if living outside the Vashon area. We must remember players can not change high schools because of the coach. The MSHSAA has always given schools the right to govern themselves.

I can not see eligibility being granted to players because a basketball coach is well liked and successful. I had a conversation with an official @ the MSHSAA ( After the Swish report back in March ) concerning the above situation and if a private school students could enroll back @ his original school district after attending his freshman year @ private school. The answer is no but there are exceptions to any rule. ( These rules are in the MSHSAA handbook. The MSHSAA official would not discuss the Madison Prep-public school situation other then schools usually " Police themselves " but if we have a formal complaint, the MSHSAA will investigate.

I'm guessing if 4-5 knew players enroll in a Missouri high school each year, " Why not ", The chances of someone making a formal complaint most likely would not happen. I ask Missouri coaches, administrators and others if they would make a complaint to the MSHSAA concerning a violation, nobody has responded yet.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Well.....................it was pretty much understood back in February that Madison Prep would be closing down. So you mean to tell me that I was the ONLY one or one of the few that knew then and all this time how this scenario would be playing out!?!? It is REALLY quite simple folks! Tony was and remains an employee of the St. Louis Public Schools. He is and justifiably so a well-liked person and coach. Did I mention a QUITE successful coach as well? Quite frankly folks.........................if say the Springfield Public Schools closed down a High School.....................wouldn't it be possible that a coach from the shuttered school would maybe surface as the head boys coach at another school in that system with quite a few of his players there as well? I am struggling here to see any reason for concern or outrage in this matter........................

I...uh...speechless. All possible. Sure. I'd say if it happened at a Spfd school, there would be the same talk...just in a different area of the state. But let us not kid, the school and last name certainly add fuel to the fire.

 

[metro-dude]

I...uh...speechless. All possible. Sure. I'd say if it happened at a Spfd school, there would be the same talk...just in a different area of the state. But let us not kid, the school and last name certainly add fuel to the fire.

semo.com has an interesting post by " highschoolfan ". Highschoolfan states one of the new players @ SCC lives next to him in Sikeston, Missouri but uses a family member's address in the Scott County Central school district. If this is true, the player in question would not be eligible. It would be to late for the family to move because of the MSHSAA' S rule that a student must enroll into a new district @ the time of the move.

The MSHSAA declared an outstanding basketball player ineligible @ Cardinal Ritter last year because he enrolled and started classes @ the beginning of the school year but did not move into their new house until a month latter. The 6'7" sophomore attended Career Academy his freshmen year. It is my understanding that the Cardinal Ritter school sent the situation to the MSHSAA and the final ruling was ineligible for one year. He was however eligible to compete on their sophomore team last year. This player had 7 big dunks in limited action against a very good Borgia sophomore team and was clearly varsity material last season.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

I...uh...speechless. All possible. Sure. I'd say if it happened at a Spfd school, there would be the same talk...just in a different area of the state. But let us not kid, the school and last name certainly add fuel to the fire.

I believe Springfield public schools all have open enrollment except Kickapoo so I doubt there would be any issues. There was a lot of transferring done in the basketball world in years past and there was only one instance I can think of that it actually became a problem.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I believe Springfield public schools all have open enrollment except Kickapoo so I doubt there would be any issues. There was a lot of transferring done in the basketball world in years past and there was only one instance I can think of that it actually became a problem.

Somebody that knows for sure, correct me if I'm wrong. But just because a district has "open enrollment", doesn't necessarily make an athlete eligible. My thought is the athlete still must reside within the school attendance zones. Open enrollment would just mean a student could attend one high school in the district, regardless of address, and not have to pay tuition. Again, could be totally wrong about this.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Trey Starks played for 3 different high schools in Springfield if I'm correct and was the best player at all 3, and ended up winning a state title with DGB his senior year at Hillcrest.
I don't know all the details, I just know that the only school that doesn't have open enrollment is Kickapoo and kids up there bounce from program to program all the time with no repercussions. Doesn't bother me any to be honest.
Most of the people who complain about transfer players are the ones who are losing side of the ball game.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Trey Starks played for 3 different high schools in Springfield if I'm correct and was the best player at all 3, and ended up winning a state title with DGB his senior year at Hillcrest.
I don't know all the details, I just know that the only school that doesn't have open enrollment is Kickapoo and kids up there bounce from program to program all the time with no repercussions. Doesn't bother me any to be honest. I get that it happens, just not sure it's on the level. That was my point.
Most of the people who complain about transfer players are the ones who are losing side of the ball game.Vashon and the private schools support this statement.

 

[Kickapoo Basketball]

Somebody that knows for sure, correct me if I'm wrong. But just because a district has "open enrollment", doesn't necessarily make an athlete eligible. My thought is the athlete still must reside within the school attendance zones. Open enrollment would just mean a student could attend one high school in the district, regardless of address, and not have to pay tuition. Again, could be totally wrong about this.

In Springfield a student may decide to attend any of the 5 high schools as an incoming freshman. This year's Kickapoo enrollment puts them at near capacity, which meant no transfers were allowed from those students living outside the Kickapoo District. Parkview, Glendale, Central and Hillcrest allowed transfers from outside of their district. If a student transferred after they had enrolled at any of the 5 Springfield high schools then the MSHSAA rules would then apply to them as transfers. It would sure make it easier on everyone if all of the Springfield high schools closed transfers to those living out of their district but they do not.

 

[Bogey Man]

I can't understand why Springfield is allowed to have open enrollment. I get that Springfield is all one school district. St. Louis schools are all in the City of St. Louis School District, but I don't believe students can choose their school and must attend the high school in their specified geographic boundary. Students in Springfield shouldn't be allowed to drive across town to a high school with one in their neighborhood. The Springfield school district open enrollment policy is practically enticing a school to take advantage of the system and cherry pick the student/athletes for their team.

 

[Kickapoo Basketball]

I can't understand why Springfield is allowed to have open enrollment. I get that Springfield is all one school district. St. Louis schools are all in the City of St. Louis School District, but I don't believe students can choose their school and must attend the high school in their specified geographic boundary. Students in Springfield shouldn't be allowed to drive across town to a high school with one in their neighborhood. The Springfield school district open enrollment policy is practically enticing a school to take advantage of the system and cherry pick the student/athletes for their team.

Agreed. Some high school coaches from Springfield are known to be recruiting kids at middle school events. It is ridiculous.

 

[msubearssuperfan1]

Oh, boy! I don't know where to begin on this issue. Glendale's been screwed over so many times on move-ins/outs and transfers...I'm sick of talking about the subject. Deven Mitchell, Tristan Steele, Trey Starks, etc. It never ends at good ole GHS! I kind of feel responsible for the Starks move, because I informed Coach Williamson about a comment Trey made about Glendale on Facebook and the situation went downhill after that. In fact, I think Hillcrest should mail me that 2010 state title trophy! They couldn't get the ball past half court without Starks as their point guard. Maybe one day (hopefully, while I'm still ALIVE) Glendale will finally get a difference making move-in and/or transfer. To my eyes, only Nixa, Ozark (remember all those move-ins from Branson in the mid-2000's - it was crazy!!), and Kickapoo have been getting lucky on that front since I started following Missouri high school basketball in 1996. Let's not forget that the Ruder boys were in the SPS system (Wanda Gray elementary) before switching to Nixa for high school. Coach Rippee would have a few state title rings on his hand, if not for the HORRIBLE gyms in Springfield. The Ruder parents moved because of the HORRID facilities at SPS high schools. I WANT NEW GYMS!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, St. Louis isn't clean on this issue. All those suburban StL AD's got together and killed Christian Kirk's senior year, because they felt Springfield had "stolen" a state title due to Trey Starks the year before. I know damn well those AD's put a lot of pressure on the St. Charles West AD to check that little box. Not to sound like Donald Trump here, but I feel the entire system is broken and needs to be fixed. The hardship wavier needs to be eliminated in my opinion. It's being abused BIG TIME by all school districts. That's the only way Starks was able to play varsity at Hillcrest.

 

[mowesten]

Tristan Steele wasn't really a Glendale kid in the first place was he? Didn't they move up from Ga or something?

I mean come on, I love you buddy, but Glendales had its fair share of kids move ins over the year themselves. Cameron Maes and Ryan Wester and heck Spencer Wester this year come to mind and I haven't even given it 30 seconds of deliberation yet. Lol

Nobody's hands are clean in the transfer/move-in etc. deal. Name a school in my area and I can name a key move-in in some sport. IMO, the people who complain the loudest about what everyone else is doing are the worst offenders themselves.

They'll check a box on a kid that moved into the district from another community in the first place, then hire a kids dad to be an assistant to replace the kid they just lost.

The thing is, you can't prove intent (moving athletic reasons) and the governing body doesn't have the wherewithal to apply the rules fairly, equitably or in any other manner other than haphazardly -- and I'm being generous with that choice of words.

Until a better system is in place, I'm in favor of every student being allowed to attend any school they wish without repercussions.

 

[Green&Black]

I'm in favor of 365 days ineligible for varsity competition period. Hardship or no. I love sports as much as anyone and all this cheating and bending of rules shows how far priorities have been misplaced.

 

[msubearssuperfan1]

Since '96 (I don't know a lot about before that time...David Brewer was a move-in from Omaha and maybe the Price brothers from north SGF), but overall Glendale's gotten the short end of the stick on move-ins/transfers since I've been around and paying attention. I'm talking about guys that deliver deep post-season runs and get Div. 1 offers, etc. Not just some conference title that NOBODY cares about anymore unless you're like 70 years old. People don't take you seriously unless you're winning when it matters and that isn't in December!! The Thomas Whittaker situation was totally for athletic reasons and it wouldn't have taken much to prove it. The parents got mad that Williamson didn't have him playing in the last minute of the district semi against Parkview in 2012 and they up and move him to Hillcrest. Yes, the Dad was a Hillcrest alum, but come on...everybody knew what was going on. People at Glendale wanted to check the box, but were told not to by higher ups. Springfield has a big time problem on this issue and the News-Leader isn't going to talk about it.

Yes, Tristan Steele moved here from Georgia (Mother was from Joplin), but left after his junior season to Spokane (they made it to the Final Four, which really made me mad!!). Anyway, it was so dumb. A parent of a Glendale senior player said something at some stupid March open gym event and the Steele's said something back, etc. We lost a really nice player by the time the whole thing was done. Not only him, but we lost the two football guys (Sanders and Swan) to injuries. Could've been a contender in '07, but finished a disappointing/lackluster 17-10.

 

[3Rfan]

Tristan Steele wasn't really a Glendale kid in the first place was he? Didn't they move up from Ga or something?

I mean come on, I love you buddy, but Glendales had its fair share of kids move ins over the year themselves. Cameron Maes and Ryan Wester and heck Spencer Wester this year come to mind and I haven't even given it 30 seconds of deliberation yet. Lol

Nobody's hands are clean in the transfer/move-in etc. deal. Name a school in my area and I can name a key move-in in some sport. IMO, the people who complain the loudest about what everyone else is doing are the worst offenders themselves.

They'll check a box on a kid that moved into the district from another community in the first place, then hire a kids dad to be an assistant to replace the kid they just lost.

The thing is, you can't prove intent (moving athletic reasons) and the governing body doesn't have the wherewithal to apply the rules fairly, equitably or in any other manner other than haphazardly -- and I'm being generous with that choice of words.

Until a better system is in place, I'm in favor of every student being allowed to attend any school they wish without repercussions.

You really think a kid moving from Georgia to Missouri is the same as a kid driving across town to a school outside his local school boundaries?