Borgia has ended Sullivan's season 6 of the last 7 years

[metro-dude]

Final game of the season for the Sullivan Eagles.

---2017-----Sullivan----45-----Borgia-------68---------------Sullivan Record------20-7
1. 2016-----Sullivan---43------Pacific------47---------------Sullivan Record------17-9
2. 2015-----Sullivan---45------Borgia-------46--------------Sullivan Record------15-12
3. 2014-----Sullivan---45------Borgia-------55--------------Sullivan Record-------21-6
4, 2013-----Sullivan----38-----Borgia-------50--------------Sullivan Record-------19-8
5. 2012-----Sullivan----33-----Borgia-------44--------------Sullivan Record-------18-9
6. 2011-----Sullivan----29-----Borgia--------52-------------Sullivan Record--------13-11
7. 2010-----Sullivan----30-----Borgia--------69-------------Sullivan Record--------19-8
8. 2009-----Sullivan----56-----Pacific--------60-------------Sullivan Record--------20-4
9. 2008-----Sullivan----57-----St, Clair------59-------------Sullivan Record--------19-8
10. 2007---Sullivan----45-----St. Clair------56--------------Sullivan Record--------16-10----Sullivan has 11 straight winning seasons but no district championships during the 11 years .

Borgia was moved to a district in St. Charles in 2007 and 2008.

The Borgia Knights have won district 6 eight ( 8 ) straight years, dating back to 2009.

District champs and the runner up.

2016 Borgia---49------Pacific----40
2015 Borgia---66------Sullivan---63
2014 Borgia---69------Pacific-----66
2013 Borgia---50------Pacific-----38
2012 Borgia---44------Sullivan ---33
2011-Borgia---52------St, Clair----29
2010 Borgia---69------Sullivan----30
2009 Borgia---83------Pacific------52

2008-Borgia was in another district.
2007 Borgia was in another district.

 

[swoopo]

Is Borgia public or private?

 

[have an idea]

Lol

 

[swoopo]

Funny?

 

[have an idea]

Very

 

[swoopo]

Why?

 

[have an idea]

Are you new too basketball?

 

[SWJ]

Are you new too basketball?

This has become a very strange thread.....

 

[msubearssuperfan1]

Sometimes teams just have your number or they're just BETTER! Glendale has lost TEN straight post-season games to Kickapoo.

Class 4A Sectional
March 6th, 1991 (@ SBU)
#6 4A Glendale(23-6) 37 - Kickapoo(20-9) 41

Class 4A, District 12 Tournament @ Kickapoo HS
March 5th, 1993 / Championship
Glendale(22-4) 51 - Kickapoo(17-11) 54

Class 4A District 12 Tournament @ Glendale HS
Feb. 27th, 1997 / Semifinal
Glendale(19-8) 49 - Kickapoo(18-10) 52

Class 4A, District 12 Tournament @ Joplin HS
Feb. 27th, 1998 / Championship
#10 4A Glendale(19-8) 44 - #2 4A Kickapoo(28-2) 49

Class 4A, District 12 Tournament @ Kickapoo HS
Feb. 23rd, 2001 / Championship
#10 4A Glendale(21-7) 49 - #8 4A Kickapoo(21-7) 53

Class 5 - Sectional - SBU
March 5th, 2003
Glendale(22-7) 32 - #1 C5 Kickapoo(30-1) 62

Class 5 - Sectional at SBU
March 1st, 2006
#10 C5 Glendale(22-7) 74 - #4 C5 Kickapoo(28-4) 86

Class 5, District 11 Tournament @ Ozark HS
Feb. 24th, '09 / First Round
Glendale(20-7) 68 - Kickapoo(19-8) 75

Class 5, District 11 Tournament @Nixa HS
Feb. 23rd, 2011 / Semifinal
Glendale(23-4) 69 - Kickapoo(24-4) 80

Class 5, District 11 Tournament @ Ozark HS
March 6th, 2014 / Semifinal
Glendale(15-11) 45 - #10 C5 Kickapoo(21-6) 47

 

[Majost]

Borgia has in my eyes, one of the best coaches in Missouri. This doesn't surprise me one bit. The other thing, since we are talking about teams ending the year.

 

[swoopo]

I am not new to basketball, I want to know what your opinion is?

 

[metro-dude]

Borgia has in my eyes, one of the best coaches in Missouri. This doesn't surprise me one bit. The other thing, since we are talking about teams ending the year.

The great coaches and staff in Missouri coach in " Traditional Schools ". Great coaches must have players. When the MSHSAA changed from a 4 class system to 5 class system, this created more great coaches.

I agree Dave Neir and staff is a perfect coach for Borgia high school. I'm betting when Dave retires, the next coach @ Borgia will be great as well and walk into the Missouri coaches " Hall of Fame ".

 

[Majost]

The great coaches and staff in Missouri coach in " Traditional Schools ". Great coaches must have players. When the MSHSAA changed from a 4 class system to 5 class system, this created more great coaches.

I agree Dave Neir and staff is a perfect coach for Borgia high school. I'm betting when Dave retires, the next coach @ Borgia will be great as well and walk into the Missouri coaches " Hall of Fame ".

You aren't giving the guy any credit at all. You are assuming the next coach will automatically be a HOF coach, just because he/she is at one particular school. I beg to differ with you on that. I think that last 4 seasons people have thought this was the year Borgia wasn't going to not get out of districts. I remember everyone saying when C Vanleer kid was this was the year that Borgia was gonna get beat. I will agree that they do have some good athletes, but I haven't seen that studs that have came out of that school for a few years now and went on to play D1 or so ball. I have enjoy always watching Borgia play CBC, Desmet, this year St. Mary's. The man gets the most out of what he has and runs defenses and plays with a purpose. The guy can Coach.

 

[have an idea]

I agree

 

[metro-dude]

You aren't giving the guy any credit at all. You are assuming the next coach will automatically be a HOF coach, just because he/she is at one particular school. I beg to differ with you on that. I think that last 4 seasons people have thought this was the year Borgia wasn't going to not get out of districts. I remember everyone saying when C Vanleer kid was this was the year that Borgia was gonna get beat. I will agree that they do have some good athletes, but I haven't seen that studs that have came out of that school for a few years now and went on to play D1 or so ball. I have enjoy always watching Borgia play CBC, Desmet, this year St. Mary's. The man gets the most out of what he has and runs defenses and plays with a purpose. The guy can Coach.

Dave Neir was employed by the Washington School district and coached the freshman team before moving to Borgia as a freshman coach. Dave Neir was given the varsity coaching position a couple years latter. Dave has done a great job of coaching the varsity team @ Borgia for many years. ( Have an Idea and majost ) I must ask you a question, If Dave Neir had stayed in Washington and eventually received the head coaching position , would Dave be the " Hall of Fame " coach he is today? I will be waiting on your answer with you explanation if you say yes.

Dave is a " Perfect Fit " @ Borgia, Jay Blossom is a " Perfect Fit " @ Webster, Greg Holifield is a " Perfect Fit " @ Sikeston but Dave, Jay and Greg may not be a perfect fit if they were coaching @ non traditional schools. Dave, Jay and Greg has responded well when they got their opportunity and the schools have helped them pave the way with talent.

 

[have an idea]

Don't know. I believe he gets the most out of his talent and he usually has talent

 

[metro-dude]

Dave Neir was employed by the Washington School district and coached the freshman team before moving to Borgia as a freshman coach. Dave Neir was given the varsity coaching position a couple years latter. Dave has done a great job of coaching the varsity team @ Borgia for many years. ( Have an Idea and majost ) I must ask you a question, If Dave Neir had stayed in Washington and eventually received the head coaching position , would Dave be the " Hall of Fame " coach he is today? I will be waiting on your answer with you explanation if you say yes.

Dave is a " Perfect Fit " @ Borgia, Jay Blossom is a " Perfect Fit " @ Webster, Greg Holifield is a " Perfect Fit " @ Sikeston but Dave, Jay and Greg may not be a perfect fit if they were coaching @ non traditional schools. Dave, Jay and Greg has responded well when they got their opportunity and the schools have helped them pave the way with talent.

Former Vashon Coach Floyd Irons Told me 20 years ago, The sign of a great coach is to take " Great Talent " and win with it. Dave, Jay and Greg have done that.

 

[have an idea]

I agree. I had great talent in our runs to the Final Four but it was not as simple as saying go play.

 

[Majost]

Sounds like you know more about Borgia than I do. You said he is a perfect fit for Borgia, why don't you clarify what you mean by that. Perfect fit..what is that? Just because he is an alumni of that school? You don't win just because you are a perfect fit. You don't go to final fours like Borgia has done over and over just because you're a perfect fit. Correct me if Im wrong, but there hasn't been any Scott Suggs who went to Washington in the Borgia bunch for a long time, if ever. But please tell me since you evidently know more about that area than i do, who has came out of Borgia who went on to play college ball at any degree in the last 4 years, hell maybe the last 5 years? And then tell me the number off wins Borgia has had in the last 5 years and district championships that have been won, Ill wait for your answer. If you don't think the guy is good bench coach, than you just lost any credibility you had...at least with me you did. Ive seen him out coach any of the big name coaches, over the many years the guy has been coaching, and seen him win games that I never thought he would even have a chance on winning a few times over and over.

But hell, Ill try to answer your question, do I think Washington High would have won more games throughout the years if the Borgia Coach was there. I think they would have won a lot more, because in my eyes, he is a great bench coach. Washington has had some decent talent in the past, some years great talent like when Suggs was there, and have really gone no where.

 

[have an idea]

I don't respect Irons due to his behavior in Final Four losses.

 

[metro-dude]

Sounds like you know more about Borgia than I do. You said he is a perfect fit for Borgia, why don't you clarify what you mean by that. Perfect fit..what is that? Just because he is an alumni of that school? You don't win just because you are a perfect fit. You don't go to final fours like Borgia has done over and over just because you're a perfect fit. Correct me if Im wrong, but there hasn't been any Scott Suggs who went to Washington in the Borgia bunch for a long time, if ever. But please tell me since you evidently know more about that area than i do, who has came out of Borgia who went on to play college ball at any degree in the last 4 years, hell maybe the last 5 years? And then tell me the number off wins Borgia has had in the last 5 years and district championships that have been won, Ill wait for your answer. If you don't think the guy is good bench coach, than you just lost any credibility you had...at least with me you did. Ive seen him out coach any of the big name coaches, over the many years the guy has been coaching.

But hell, Ill try to answer your question, do I think Washington High would have won more games throughout the years if the Borgia Coach was there. I think they would have won a lot more, because in my eyes, he is a great bench coach. Washington has had some decent talent in the past, some years great talent like when Suggs was there, and have really gone no where.

Dude, you are going out there making statement about Dave not being a good bench coach, who said that? Borgia has survived the lean years on ' Tradition ", being in class 4 district 6 and the Knights being able to dominate Pacific and Sullivan.. The talent may have been lacking but the will to win, fan support and school spirit remained in tact. Borgia has not been a final four team since 2011.

2016-----Defeated in the sectionals
2015-----Defeated in the sectionals
2014-----Defeated in the quarters
2013-----Defeated in the quarters
2012-----Defeated in the sectional
2011-----Second in class 4 ( Sikeston )

You have disrespected the past coaches @ Washington high school by saying other coaches would have achieved more wins if Dave were the coach. I can not confirm a Washington record change if the coaches were different.

 

[metro-dude]

Sounds like you know more about Borgia than I do. You said he is a perfect fit for Borgia, why don't you clarify what you mean by that. Perfect fit..what is that? Just because he is an alumni of that school? You don't win just because you are a perfect fit. You don't go to final fours like Borgia has done over and over just because you're a perfect fit. Correct me if Im wrong, but there hasn't been any Scott Suggs who went to Washington in the Borgia bunch for a long time, if ever. But please tell me since you evidently know more about that area than i do, who has came out of Borgia who went on to play college ball at any degree in the last 4 years, hell maybe the last 5 years? And then tell me the number off wins Borgia has had in the last 5 years and district championships that have been won, Ill wait for your answer. If you don't think the guy is good bench coach, than you just lost any credibility you had...at least with me you did. Ive seen him out coach any of the big name coaches, over the many years the guy has been coaching, and seen him win games that I never thought he would even have a chance on winning a few times over and over.

But hell, Ill try to answer your question, do I think Washington High would have won more games throughout the years if the Borgia Coach was there. I think they would have won a lot more, because in my eyes, he is a great bench coach. Washington has had some decent talent in the past, some years great talent like when Suggs was there, and have really gone no where.

Washington plays in class 5--Districts are tougher then class 4.

 

[Majost]

Washington plays in class 5--Districts are tougher then class 4.

So now you are are saying all class 5 districts are more tough than any class 4 district just because they are class 5. LOL. You know the more you talk the less credible you get. Now you are also saying good coaches can't make a difference in the win column at a different school?

2016-----Defeated in the sectionals
2015-----Defeated in the sectionals
2014-----Defeated in the quarters
2013-----Defeated in the quarters
2012-----Defeated in the sectional
2011-----Second in class 4 ( Sikeston )

Wow, you make this sound like non of these would be considered a good year. LOL. Really?

You are giving every reason in the book as to why Borgia wins except for the Coach. Cause it was you remember who said, they could plug in anyone after Neier leaves and they will become a HOF coach, not me.

If I had to take a guess you very much sound like a Washington Fan or alumni. Am I correct?

Im not trying to argue with you, I just flat out disagree with you.

 

[metro-dude]

So now you are are saying all class 5 districts are more tough than any class 4 district just because they are class 5. LOL. You know the more you talk the less credible you get. Now you are also saying good coaches can't make a difference in the win column at a different school?

2016-----Defeated in the sectionals
2015-----Defeated in the sectionals
2014-----Defeated in the quarters
2013-----Defeated in the quarters
2012-----Defeated in the sectional
2011-----Second in class 4 ( Sikeston )

Wow, you make this sound like non of these would be considered a good year. LOL. Really?

You are giving every reason in the book as to why Borgia wins except for the Coach. Cause it was you remember who said, they could plug in anyone after Neier leaves and they will become a HOF coach, not me.

If I had to take a guess you very much sound like a Washington Fan or alumni. Am I correct?

Im not trying to argue with you, I just flat out disagree with you.

Dude, Could Dave, Jay and Greg continue their success @ Union and St. Clair? I'm waiting on your answer.

 

[msubearssuperfan1]

A coach can't control how much his players CARE about their season continuing regardless of the talent level.

I've seen far too many kids from a certain school leave the locker room after their season had just ended laughing, smiling, and playing patty cake with their girlfriends. If the kids don't want the season to go on, IT WON'T!

Maybe some of these schools have had that problem over the years. I KNOW ABOUT A CERTAIN SCHOOL THAT SURE HAS!!!!!!

 

[Majost]

Dude, Could Dave, Jay and Greg continue their success @ Union and St. Clair? I'm waiting on your answer.

Cant even believe I have to go this far. A good Coach is always good for some extra wins a season, a bad coach is always good for a few more losses a season. Period. And if you don't believe that than you have lost your credibility with me.

Ill answer your question. I never said they would continue the same success, I said they would be good for a few more wins. You are the one who said again, that you can plug any coach into a program as these three, and the next coach will automatically be a HOF coach. You are dead wrong. Their I answered your question. Good coaches can prepare a team way better than a not so good coach, and if you have so so talent, the only way your going to win the games you are out talented against is by a good coach preparing for that game. A good coach can change kids attitudes, sometimes he can't, but bad coaches won't change a thing, and only can hurt a program worse. Therefore, a bad coach can turn a good program upside down.

So I answered yours, but I did notice you didn't answer mine. Are you a Washington fan or a Washington Alumni? Ummm Dude.

 

[have an idea]

What is up with guys who claim to be in there 50's using terms like bro dude bru. Wcowherd claims to have followed Mu bb for 42 years but uses these terms.