Biggest Takeaway Dems Need To Have From This Experience

[Veerman_12]

We are NOT a global community and as nice as the high minded platitudes are,when the chips are down China is going to take care of the Chinese, France will take care of the French, Italy will take care of the Italians, Mexico will take care of Mexicans, and the United States SHOULD take care of Americans.

I'm not saying let's not work together toward greater goals, but let's also not pretend that we're beyond necessary tribalism.

I don't think isolationism is the answer, but a more guarded approach to foreign affairs and focusing on being self sufficient at home should be the goal going forward.

 

[Neutron Monster]

We are NOT a global community and as nice as the high minded platitudes are,when the chips are down China is going to take care of the Chinese, France will take care of the French, Italy will take care of the Italians, Mexico will take care of Mexicans, and the United States SHOULD take care of Americans.

I'm not saying let's not work together toward greater goals, but let's also not pretend that we're beyond necessary tribalism.

I don't think isolationism is the answer, but a more guarded approach to foreign affairs and focusing on being self sufficient at home should be the goal going forward.

The US should think more about critical medical supplies, sure. But that's different than thinking the world should suddenly be insular.

It's not realistic or feasible to think this is going to be the solution. You can't have our standard of living without globalization. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too with this line of thinking.

Your post is mostly a knee-jerk reaction.

 

[Veerman_12]

The US should think more about critical medical supplies, sure. But that's different than thinking the world should suddenly be insular.

It's not realistic or feasible to think this is going to be the solution. You can't have our standard of living without globalization. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too with this line of thinking.

Your post is mostly a knee-jerk reaction.

I literally said isolationism isn't the answer. How about not cherry picking what I said?

 

[SadButTrue]

I literally said isolationism isn't the answer. How about not cherry picking what I said?

Triggered

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Biggest takeaway for dems??? Reps could use a few lessons on foreign policy, too. Like maybe treat our allies as our friends instead of Russia. Trump talks big but accomplishes little, i.e. North Korea, trade war, Iran.

 

[MGHS]

Easy Travel should be tightened up made more expensive as those who travel should foot the bill in Fee's for possible exposures etc. Key manufacturing of Drugs and essentials should not be centralized in China. Products that are made cheaply because of cheap/Forced labor,dangerous working conditions and inferior ingredients and components should be closely watched as well and refused entry to all free countries.

Globalization shouldn't be stopped but it shouldn't be open border go where ever you want free for all either.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

We are not going to give up our foreign made cheap gadgets, clothes, and electronics. I've often thought about being an isolationist country. But the price of goods and services would to up. We would have to pay the working class more money to maintain their standard of living. The problem is we would have to force the wealthiest 1% to sacrifice some income to pay the work force.
I don't think it is socialist thinking to realize that the gap between the wealthy and the working class is greater than anytime in our history. We hear the numbers about how the gap has widened so often, we don't even blink when we hear stats like the wealthiest 1% of Americans own 99% of the wealth. Or everybody is always watching the stock market, when in fact the top 10% own 86% of all stocks and the next 10% own 9% of all stocks.
We also don't realize that Top 1% of wealth is mega rich and how much wealth they have actually accumulated. We're not talking about "I own a place at Lake of the Ozarks" wealth. I'm talking about "maids, gardeners, and private plane" wealth. That is the 1%!!
Why do they need tax cuts? They will still make money and never even notice less after taxes income.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

We are not going to give up our foreign made cheap gadgets, clothes, and electronics.

No, and we shouldn’t but we need to make an effort to limit items that are more critical, especially things like medicines.

 

[Veerman_12]

The biggest point I was trying to make in the initial post is, we need to build the wall and do our best to actively patrol our borders.

Keeping undocumented people out of the country slows or stops the spread of disease. Beyond that, yeah we need to be less reliant on other countries when it comes to essential items (medicine, fuel, food).

 

[3Rfan]

The biggest point I was trying to make in the initial post is, we need to build the wall and do our best to actively patrol our borders.

Keeping undocumented people out of the country slows or stops the spread of disease. Beyond that, yeah we need to be less reliant on other countries when it comes to essential items (medicine, fuel, food).

Except for those crazy facts that say many people come here on a plane to cross the border and a whole lot of folks here illegally overstayed their visa, not crossed the river or slipped by the Border Patrol in the desert.

 

[Veerman_12]

Except for those crazy facts that say many people come here on a plane to cross the border and a whole lot of folks here illegally overstayed their visa, not crossed the river or slipped by the Border Patrol in the desert.

Approximately 30-40% of all illegals are here on overstayed visas, meaning 60-70% crossed the border illegally. If you can reduce illegal immigration by 60% in an effort to reduce disease transmission (which is exactly what Mexico is currently doing to us) then you do it.

FACT is the vast majority of illegals in this country cross the border. It's irresponsible to try to play politics on this one. America first. Get on board or leave.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

400,000 workers with visas per year do not leave the US after 6 months.

 

[MGHS]

We are not going to give up our foreign made cheap gadgets, clothes, and electronics. I've often thought about being an isolationist country. But the price of goods and services would to up. We would have to pay the working class more money to maintain their standard of living. The problem is we would have to force the wealthiest 1% to sacrifice some income to pay the work force.
I don't think it is socialist thinking to realize that the gap between the wealthy and the working class is greater than anytime in our history. We hear the numbers about how the gap has widened so often, we don't even blink when we hear stats like the wealthiest 1% of Americans own 99% of the wealth. Or everybody is always watching the stock market, when in fact the top 10% own 86% of all stocks and the next 10% own 9% of all stocks.
We also don't realize that Top 1% of wealth is mega rich and how much wealth they have actually accumulated. We're not talking about "I own a place at Lake of the Ozarks" wealth. I'm talking about "maids, gardeners, and private plane" wealth. That is the 1%!!
Why do they need tax cuts? They will still make money and never even notice less after taxes income.

You do realize that in the Rockefeller,Morgan,and Carnegie era that about 5 people owned about all the wealth in American. But I do agree the Stock Market is a huge boon doggle and a scam to many and gambling to the Rich. I have no real problem with it failing to a degree.

And I'm not talking going full isolation either some goods and services will have to come from abroad but a lot of vital ones can be made here or even in other countries,just not in one centralized suspect place named China.

Here is the issue many don't seem to grasp...that 1%....many of them are socialist and could support and pay more taxes being paid or even pay more on a volunteer bases. Most don't they just want the Gov. to pay for it ie not their money just the other rich guys....the middle/working class which carries a burden on lost income in the gap are suffering, fact the rich does pays a majority of the tax share Volume wise even though they pay less on the income to tax ration wise.

The Poor pays nothing and really isn't poor as they live a lifestyle similar to what the working class and middle class live, do to the leveling effect of gov. assistance.

Everything is done for the Poor or the Rich...we get the squeeze. I don't ever see that changing much. Did Clinton help the Middle Class..Bush, Obama? Nope...it's all focused on the Rich or the Poor.

 

[Neutron Monster]

You do realize that in the Rockefeller,Morgan,and Carnegie era that about 5 people owned about all the wealth in American. But I do agree the Stock Market is a huge boon doggle and a scam to many and gambling to the Rich. I have no real problem with it failing to a degree.

And I'm not talking going full isolation either some goods and services will have to come from abroad but a lot of vital ones can be made here or even in other countries,just not in one centralized suspect place named China.

Here is the issue many don't seem to grasp...that 1%....many of them are socialist and could support and pay more taxes being paid or even pay more on a volunteer bases. Most don't they just want the Gov. to pay for it ie not their money just the other rich guys....the middle/working class which carries a burden on lost income in the gap are suffering, fact the rich does pays a majority of the tax share Volume wise even though they pay less on the income to tax ration wise.

The Poor pays nothing and really isn't poor as they live a lifestyle similar to what the working class and middle class live, do to the leveling effect of gov. assistance.

Everything is done for the Poor or the Rich...we get the squeeze. I don't ever see that changing much. Did Clinton help the Middle Class..Bush, Obama? Nope...it's all focused on the Rich or the Poor.

If only you knew what it’s like to actually be poor. You’d never say nonsense like this.

 

[vbsideout]

Anybody got 1 of those MAGA hats? Wondering where they were made?

 

[3Rfan]

You do realize that in the Rockefeller,Morgan,and Carnegie era that about 5 people owned about all the wealth in American. But I do agree the Stock Market is a huge boon doggle and a scam to many and gambling to the Rich. I have no real problem with it failing to a degree.

And I'm not talking going full isolation either some goods and services will have to come from abroad but a lot of vital ones can be made here or even in other countries,just not in one centralized suspect place named China.

Here is the issue many don't seem to grasp...that 1%....many of them are socialist and could support and pay more taxes being paid or even pay more on a volunteer bases. Most don't they just want the Gov. to pay for it ie not their money just the other rich guys....the middle/working class which carries a burden on lost income in the gap are suffering, fact the rich does pays a majority of the tax share Volume wise even though they pay less on the income to tax ration wise.

The Poor pays nothing and really isn't poor as they live a lifestyle similar to what the working class and middle class live, do to the leveling effect of gov. assistance.

Everything is done for the Poor or the Rich...we get the squeeze. I don't ever see that changing much. Did Clinton help the Middle Class..Bush, Obama? Nope...it's all focused on the Rich or the Poor.

They may not pay INCOME taxes but they pay pretty much every other tax the rest of us do. Ever look at an internet, cable tv satellite tv, telephone or cell phone bill? They are loaded with government taxes from city to state to federal. Some don't amount to much per person per month but they add up to MILLIONS for the entities collecting them. Where does all that money go? How much do you think a 10 cent tax every month on every cell phone bill in the country amounts to?

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Should we call MAGA hat "Chinese hats" since they are made in China?

 

[Stop n Go]

Should we call MAGA hat "Chinese hats" since they are made in China?

Should we call Chinese food here in America “American food” because it’s made here?

 

[SadButTrue]

Should we call Chinese food here in America “American food” because it’s made here?

Yes. Good call. You're smarter than you look.

 

[MGHS]

If only you knew what it’s like to actually be poor. You’d never say nonsense like this.

No I know and my GF knows even more so as well....since the 60's we have provided almost all the basic needs through the gov. First in commodities,Food stamps then EBT, AFDC,Medicaid,healthcare through the ER's,Futures programs, Section 8 housing etc. And I'm not even tallying in the Private Food banks, churches and other charities either.
Working 60 to 80 hours a week even at Minimum wage is enough to put food on the table and roof over a persons head....Buy Bulk food,don't buy processed frozen food,soda,chips, Deli meat form the Deli counter,stop buying liquor,Cigs/drugs with the cash they have, Do without cable,Cell phones,computers,netflix etc buy 2nd hand clothing, take public transportation. How do you explain the obesity rate among the Poor..and Don't say that the food that they can afford is fating and unhealthy.....because nothing is more unhealthy and expensive than the PrePackaged meals and Junk food that they purchase washed down with Mtn.Dew. They make Poor choices. They don't buy Canned veg. or Canned fruit,they don't buy cheap Chuck hamburger in bulk, or use their money wisely in anyway.

They Destroy and run down Section 8 houses, they abuse the Medical system because it's free to them driving up the cost to everyone.

The issue is that people feel entitled to a certain level of lifestyle in America. Which is complete BS. The Left has entitled them based on emotion and not data. I worked in this Field as a Income Maintenance worker for years,My dad as well, and my GF family was on public assistance until she went to college. And as she said they always had money for Drugs,Liquor of even going on vacations....but they expected other things from the Gov.

Don't be so naive if the Poor actually did what was right they would quickly exit out of poverty. But once you provide a nice easy lifestyle free of responsibility then it becomes away of life.

 

[MGHS]

They may not pay INCOME taxes but they pay pretty much every other tax the rest of us do. Ever look at an internet, cable tv satellite tv, telephone or cell phone bill? They are loaded with government taxes from city to state to federal. Some don't amount to much per person per month but they add up to MILLIONS for the entities collecting them. Where does all that money go? How much do you think a 10 cent tax every month on every cell phone bill in the country amounts to?

The very fact you think that the Poor should have internet,Cable/Sat. Telephones and even a TV is the issue. Poor is starving and living without heat sleeping on a Dirt floor because you can't get a job...not because you don't want a job or the Job is to hard or inconvenient to go to. I'm talking Christmas Carol poor....we don't have and haven't had that since the late 30's.

What you consider poor is not having a Working Class or Middle class lifestyle. That is not poor that is less affluent.

Sure some children are neglected....but that is because their guardian is not using the Gov. assistance to actually support the child or children. Giving them more won't help.

 

[MGHS]

Should we call Chinese food here in America “American food” because it’s made here?

On a side note Most Chinese food is actually American food twisted to pass as Chinese food and doesn't resemble authentic Chinese Cuisine in anyway or fashion. So yeah maybe we should call it ChinAmeca food ...not unlike Tex Mex which is not authentic Mexican at all...

 

[SadButTrue]

No I know and my GF knows even more so as well....since the 60's we have provided almost all the basic needs through the gov. First in commodities,Food stamps then EBT, AFDC,Medicaid,healthcare through the ER's,Futures programs, Section 8 housing etc. And I'm not even tallying in the Private Food banks, churches and other charities either.
Working 60 to 80 hours a week even at Minimum wage is enough to put food on the table and roof over a persons head....Buy Bulk food,don't buy processed frozen food,soda,chips, Deli meat form the Deli counter,stop buying liquor,Cigs/drugs with the cash they have, Do without cable,Cell phones,computers,netflix etc buy 2nd hand clothing, take public transportation. How do you explain the obesity rate among the Poor..and Don't say that the food that they can afford is fating and unhealthy.....because nothing is more unhealthy and expensive than the PrePackaged meals and Junk food that they purchase washed down with Mtn.Dew. They make Poor choices. They don't buy Canned veg. or Canned fruit,they don't buy cheap Chuck hamburger in bulk, or use their money wisely in anyway.

They Destroy and run down Section 8 houses, they abuse the Medical system because it's free to them driving up the cost to everyone.

The issue is that people feel entitled to a certain level of lifestyle in America. Which is complete BS. The Left has entitled them based on emotion and not data. I worked in this Field as a Income Maintenance worker for years,My dad as well, and my GF family was on public assistance until she went to college. And as she said they always had money for Drugs,Liquor of even going on vacations....but they expected other things from the Gov.

Don't be so naive if the Poor actually did what was right they would quickly exit out of poverty. But once you provide a nice easy lifestyle free of responsibility then it becomes away of life.

Good points. I have felt this way for a long time. I disagree in that there are some people that actually need this, but most feel entitled. If there was only some way to separate them, but alas. I have stood in line to buy groceries and have a person in front of me buying better cuts of meat with food stamps. Also reaching in their wallet and fumbling through money to pay for their cigs, etc. I don't mean one dollar bills either. The abusers cheat the people truly in need.

My wife and I work (volunteer) for Community Service League, and see both sides of the coin here too. We also work at our church's food drop once a month. We pass out food provided by Harvesters (each month we receive 22, 000 to 24,000 lbs of food to distribute to 300+ families. I see lots of obesity.

I just try not to paint a broad picture about everyone. I work with great people. Some are Repub and some are Dem, and I don't paint them with a broad picture either. I go to church with people that are from both partys, and I don't paint them as abortionist or trumpsters. My VERY best friend is a die hard trump supporter. We don't ever talk politics because we travel together all of the time. We go on at least one cruise every year (have to see when that happens ever again). We live just fine leaving politics out of our discussions. I've ran on long enough, just tired of people painting broad strokes of people they don't agree with. There is way to much hate and anger right now.

Be safe. We're in this together.

 

[vbsideout]

On a side note Most Chinese food is actually American food twisted to pass as Chinese food and doesn't resemble authentic Chinese Cuisine in anyway or fashion. So yeah maybe we should call it ChinAmeca food ...not unlike Tex Mex which is not authentic Mexican at all...

Are you saying they should work 60 to 80 hour and still have to do without?

 

[Veerman_12]

Are you saying they should work 60 to 80 hour and still have to do without?

My wife and I both did it starting out. No one ever drowned in sweat.

So yeah if you NEED to work 60-80 hours a week to make ends meet then that's what you do. Your standard of living is what you make it.

 

[Veerman_12]

No I know and my GF knows even more so as well....since the 60's we have provided almost all the basic needs through the gov. First in commodities,Food stamps then EBT, AFDC,Medicaid,healthcare through the ER's,Futures programs, Section 8 housing etc. And I'm not even tallying in the Private Food banks, churches and other charities either.
Working 60 to 80 hours a week even at Minimum wage is enough to put food on the table and roof over a persons head....Buy Bulk food,don't buy processed frozen food,soda,chips, Deli meat form the Deli counter,stop buying liquor,Cigs/drugs with the cash they have, Do without cable,Cell phones,computers,netflix etc buy 2nd hand clothing, take public transportation. How do you explain the obesity rate among the Poor..and Don't say that the food that they can afford is fating and unhealthy.....because nothing is more unhealthy and expensive than the PrePackaged meals and Junk food that they purchase washed down with Mtn.Dew. They make Poor choices. They don't buy Canned veg. or Canned fruit,they don't buy cheap Chuck hamburger in bulk, or use their money wisely in anyway.

They Destroy and run down Section 8 houses, they abuse the Medical system because it's free to them driving up the cost to everyone.

The issue is that people feel entitled to a certain level of lifestyle in America. Which is complete BS. The Left has entitled them based on emotion and not data. I worked in this Field as a Income Maintenance worker for years,My dad as well, and my GF family was on public assistance until she went to college. And as she said they always had money for Drugs,Liquor of even going on vacations....but they expected other things from the Gov.

Don't be so naive if the Poor actually did what was right they would quickly exit out of poverty. But once you provide a nice easy lifestyle free of responsibility then it becomes away of life.

This^^^^

 

[3Rfan]

The very fact you think that the Poor should have internet,Cable/Sat. Telephones and even a TV is the issue. Poor is starving and living without heat sleeping on a Dirt floor because you can't get a job...not because you don't want a job or the Job is to hard or inconvenient to go to. I'm talking Christmas Carol poor....we don't have and haven't had that since the late 30's.

What you consider poor is not having a Working Class or Middle class lifestyle. That is not poor that is less affluent.

Sure some children are neglected....but that is because their guardian is not using the Gov. assistance to actually support the child or children. Giving them more won't help.

After reading several your posts about you and GF I'm thinking both of you should be up for Sainthood. There is pretty much nothing you haven't done that was tougher than most people ever faced and now you're probably gazillionaires.

 

[Veerman_12]

After reading several your posts about you and GF I'm thinking both of you should be up for Sainthood. There is pretty much nothing you haven't done that was tougher than most people ever faced and now you're probably gazillionaires.

How is this constructive? Knock off the ad hominem stuff and discuss the issues.

 

[3Rfan]

How is this constructive? Knock off the ad hominem stuff and discuss the issues.

You don't see many posts from that dude that don't brag on his GF and himself. Maybe he discuss the issues. He's all about how bad they both had it and how great they are now.