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coach bailey in his coaches interview yesterday mentioned that these 2 valle games may be the only times this happens because the big 8 is looking to expand. So who are the 2 teams that may get added. Id love to have nevada back in so we can have a short drive for once but cassville will object.
 
red & black brotherhood said:
coach bailey in his coaches interview yesterday mentioned that these 2 valle games may be the only times this happens because the big 8 is looking to expand. So who are the 2 teams that may get added. Id love to have nevada back in so we can have a short drive for once but cassville will object.
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Curious, why would Cassville object?
 
red & black brotherhood said:
coach bailey in his coaches interview yesterday mentioned that these 2 valle games may be the only times this happens because the big 8 is looking to expand. So who are the 2 teams that may get added. Id love to have nevada back in so we can have a short drive for once but cassville will object.
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The Big 8 Conference is thinking out of the box now. They are looking to purchase several private schools in the St. Louis area. Once they make 3 or 4 acquisitions, they can finally get due recognition from STL sportswriters and be able to actively recruit players through the private school loop-hole. It's a win-win. ;)
 
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red & black brotherhood said:
coach bailey in his coaches interview yesterday mentioned that these 2 valle games may be the only times this happens because the big 8 is looking to expand. So who are the 2 teams that may get added. Id love to have nevada back in so we can have a short drive for once but cassville will object.
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Cassville fans wouldn't have a problem driving all the way up to Nevada - - - as long as Nevada guarantees that Buzz's BBQ & Steakhouse stays open! Wildcat fans are BBQ -fueled. ;)
 
Is the WCC going disband? Pius to MEC in 2018 to replace smithville. Rumors Warrensburg to MRVC to replace Grain Valley. Now Nevada maybe to Big 8.
 
bhunt95 said:
Is the WCC going disband? Pius to MEC in 2018 to replace smithville. Rumors Warrensburg to MRVC to replace Grain Valley. Now Nevada maybe to Big 8.
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I don't believe Nevada is on the Big 8 radar. They p***ed in their cornflakes the last time they were part of the Big 8 expansion discussion. Not many friends in the Big 8 at this time, at least.
 
Reeds and Neveda. Strafford is too small and probably too far cause there's plenty of competition closer to them their size. Rogersville is possible though I suppose, but still pretty far out. Hollister or Catholic would make more sense I'd think.
 
Reeds and Neveda are the ones I have heard Cassville is the issue with Nevada but the big 8 schools stay loyal and vote together. So if the big 8 is to expand all 8 will have to agree.
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Reeds and Neveda are the ones I have heard Cassville is the issue with Nevada but the big 8 schools stay loyal and vote together. So if the big 8 is to expand all 8 will have to agree.
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And lamar doesnt wanna drive to reeds but the best compromise would be to take both so both schools can be happy and mad at the same time
 
CFHWHS said:
Reeds and Neveda. Strafford is too small and probably too far cause there's plenty of competition closer to them their size. Rogersville is possible though I suppose, but still pretty far out. Hollister or Catholic would make more sense I'd think.
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Strafford is growing rapidly.for everyone
Hollister is a worse drive than Strafford, or Rogersville for everyone except maybe Cassville.
Catholic is about 5 miles closer than those 2.
 
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The only issue is are those schools going to want to be in the Big 8 for the long haul? Monett is growing faster than any other school in the conference, We will soon be class 4 it is coming, and if you look at the number percentage over the last 20 years we grew more than even CJ who has now left the conference. Clever is growing but are they growing fast enough? Don't know about Forsyth. Travel is an issue as many members of the conference are spoiled by not having to travel very far over the last decades, but I think that is going to have to change for the conference to survive. Other conference have expanded, look at the COC large they no longer have to fill the schedule with non-conference schools and over the years Monett filled their schedule with Neosho and Nixa, and I am sure other conference members played them, so that options is now gone. The surrounding states are not an option as they start later and really don't want to schedule Missouri teams.
I am sure after this year Lamar would love to have had two more members in the conference and not had an open date for football. I know Monett struggled up into the summer trying to find a game and finally California decided to play us.
Pierce City or neighbor to the west is finding it hard sledding to find games all the SRVC members are having issues.

Personal opinion if the Big 8 is going to expand we are going to have to look at schools with an enrollment of 600 or greater. Reeds, Logan Rogersville or Neveda, Catholic maybe.. but they are pretty small.
 
Question about open dates: would there have been anything wrong with Lamar and Monett having played each other twice in the same season? That would be one answer to the open dates challenge.

How about a southwest Missouri super conference? Would address all kinds of questions and challenges.
 
I don't really follow big 8 much, but it seems to be generally class 3 enrollment and geographically between springfield and joplin and along/south of 44 (except Lamar). So Reeds Spring seems like it would be a good fit if they wanted to leave the COC small (I think that's where they are now?). It strikes me as a growing district and they have some nice facilities. Nevada would be nice for Lamar but not really anyone else. RS fits the "profile" of the conference better than anyone else I can think of. Clever seems a little small and I am not sure if they even have a football program. Bolivar's geography is a bit off but maybe better than Nevada. Competition and size wise they would be one of the larger schools but not the largest. Reeds Spring would be a long, curvy drive for Mac Co, Seneca and EN.
 
sw5890 said:
I don't really follow big 8 much, but it seems to be generally class 3 enrollment and geographically between springfield and joplin and along/south of 44 (except Lamar). So Reeds Spring seems like it would be a good fit if they wanted to leave the COC small (I think that's where they are now?). It strikes me as a growing district and they have some nice facilities. Nevada would be nice for Lamar but not really anyone else. RS fits the "profile" of the conference better than anyone else I can think of. Clever seems a little small and I am not sure if they even have a football program. Bolivar's geography is a bit off but maybe better than Nevada. Competition and size wise they would be one of the larger schools but not the largest. Reeds Spring would be a long, curvy drive for Mac Co, Seneca and EN.
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Nevada is one of the original founding members. Over time the conference grew and just like the Current COC split into two divisions Small and Large. Neosho Webb Carthage Nevada Mac County and later Memorial made up the Large, and what is now the members of the big 8 made up the small exept maybe Aurora was in the large for a time? The large split away from the conference in the very early 80's right after Memorial joined. The schools from the large and small just decided to go their own way. The large became the Big 6 and the small became known as the big 8. Memorial in 85 would consolidate with Parkwood and the Big 6 became the SWC. For years after the conference split the schools would all still play each other but slowly that stopped. Nevada could have been a member of the Big 8 during the split, but went with the other large schools so they sort of only have themselves to blame for their present conference predicament.
 
Lamar, Mac Co, and Seneca are kinda on the fringes geographically so they will have to drive no matter who is added. Mac Co can't drive much farther than Salem (this years sched) and Lamar is going to St Gen and has an open date. Reeds Spring, Catholic, Rogersville, and Strafford are the only schools I see as viable options unless they go with an Eldo/Nevada/Butler combination (not likely. The Clever and Forsyth talk is just silly with their size/new program combo.
 
millerbleach said:
Lamar, Mac Co, and Seneca are kinda on the fringes geographically so they will have to drive no matter who is added. Mac Co can't drive much farther than Salem (this years sched) and Lamar is going to St Gen and has an open date. Reeds Spring, Catholic, Rogersville, and Strafford are the only schools I see as viable options unless they go with an Eldo/Nevada/Butler combination (not likely. The Clever and Forsyth talk is just silly with their size/new program combo.
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I don't think football travel is the issue. The issue is all of the other sports that play on school nights.
 
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AC100 said:
I don't think football travel is the issue. The issue is all of the other sports that play on school nights.
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Not just sports. Speech, Band contests, FFA, etc.
I believe the real issue is that everyone wants to play in the mud at Seneca. The only stadium around this area where dad can coach his kid, and mom can tie his shoelaces, all without leaving the bleachers.
 
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bullitpdq68 said:
Nevada is one of the original founding members. Over time the conference grew and just like the Current COC split into two divisions Small and Large. Neosho Webb Carthage Nevada Mac County and later Memorial made up the Large, and what is now the members of the big 8 made up the small exept maybe Aurora was in the large for a time? The large split away from the conference in the very early 80's right after Memorial joined. The schools from the large and small just decided to go their own way. The large became the Big 6 and the small became known as the big 8. Memorial in 85 would consolidate with Parkwood and the Big 6 became the SWC. For years after the conference split the schools would all still play each other but slowly that stopped. Nevada could have been a member of the Big 8 during the split, but went with the other large schools so they sort of only have themselves to blame for their present conference predicament.
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That is interesting, I remember the SWC but didn't know it's origins. At the time, it probably made a lot more sense for Nevada to group with WC, Carthage, etc.
 
stargroup said:
BINGO!
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Funny thing Star but back in the 50's when Cassville was wanting to join the conference travel to Neveda who was a founding member was not an issue and they gladly accepted and joined the conference knowing those long bus rides were waiting and Neveda didn't complain either about letting Cassville in. However now that rolls are reversed we see the true colors of those in Cassville.
 
sw5890 said:
That is interesting, I remember the SWC but didn't know it's origins. At the time, it probably made a lot more sense for Nevada to group with WC, Carthage, etc.
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originally the SWC was before the Big 8-9-10 It might have been when Joplin and Springfield were in the conference I have all that information written down someplace. But the name was dropped sometime and the schools started using the Big and the number of schools in the conference. After the Split and then when Memorial left the big 6 the big 5 just did not sound good so those schools left brought back out the SWC name.
 
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Ozark Conference North
Rolla
Waynesville
Lebanon
Camdenton
Marshfield
Bolivar
Nevada

Ozark Conference Metro
Kickapoo
Glendale
Parkview
Hillcrest
Willard
Nixa
Ozark
Branson

Ozark Conference South
Republic
Monett
CJ
Webb City
Carthage
Neosho
Mcdonald Co
Joplin

Ozark Conference Small
Cassville
Lamar
Seneca
East Newt
Reeds Spring
Mt. Vernon
Aurora

Send West Plains to the SCA
Remaining COC small schools could join SRVC or Midlakes.

Between the 4 conferences available open dates could play each other on a rotational basis.
 
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bullitpdq68 said:
Funny thing Star but back in the 50's when Cassville was wanting to join the conference travel to Neveda who was a founding member was not an issue and they gladly accepted and joined the conference knowing those long bus rides were waiting and Neveda didn't complain either about letting Cassville in. However now that rolls are reversed we see the true colors of those in Cassville.
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Still full of it (opinions), huh? No...one reason Cassville and other Big 8 schools are likely to oppose Nevada is because of how they acted at the last vote when they tried to force their way through the doors with McDonald County but I don't see that as a major decision factor. Travel has nothing to do with it for Cassville. If it did, then why did we schedule a 3.5 hour bus ride to St. James next football season? Back in the day, I rode on those buses from Cassville to Nevada. We always looked forward to it because the boosters would buy us an all-you-could-eat chicken dinner at the Blue Top in Lamar. Having away games at Lamar and Nevada in the same season were jackpots to us.

There will be 8 votes...Cassville is just 1. In fact, I'm hearing that it is your Monett admins who are working hard to bury Nevada's shot at joining. Of course Cassville would likely vote for a Reeds Spring or Hollister add over a Nevada add...it would be stupid not to and you know it. I'm guessing your Purple Gods will vote exactly the same as Cassville's admin.

In the end, it won't matter anyway because that pencil-pusher Mr. Mshsaa will screw everything up for the upcoming 2018-19 cycle.
 
stargroup said:
Travel has nothing to do with it for Cassville. If it did, then why did we schedule a 3.5 hour bus ride to St. James next football season?
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Because typically, St James sucks, so it's an easy win.
This year they've been a little more competitive. Or maybe Cassville barely beating them was an off game.
 
tigershs said:


Send West Plains to the SCA
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Never going to happen. The SCA doesn't want West Plains back. West Plains enrollment is at least triple of every other school in the SCA. If you take Thayer and Cabools enrollments, you would have to multiply it by more than 5 to equal West Plains.
It just wouldn't make sense for any of the schools.
Plus, west Plains would dominate the SCA in all female sports except for maybe tennis and volleyball.
West Plains would win the SCA in all track and cross country sports.
And plus, the SCA just doesn't want West Plains period. For obvious reasons. The enrollment is just too much.

That would be the equivalent of sending Carthage to play in the SRVC.

Football wise, I can't honestly say West Plains would dominate the SCA. The only reason being that Liberty is just THAT good this year.
 
ChaoticFanatic said:

Never going to happen. The SCA doesn't want West Plains back. West Plains enrollment is at least triple of every other school in the SCA. If you take Thayer and Cabools enrollments, you would have to multiply it by more than 5 to equal West Plains.
It just wouldn't make sense for any of the schools.
Plus, west Plains would dominate the SCA in all female sports except for maybe tennis and volleyball.
West Plains would win the SCA in all track and cross country sports.
And plus, the SCA just doesn't want West Plains period. For obvious reasons. The enrollment is just too much.

That would be the equivalent of sending Carthage to play in the SRVC.

Football wise, I can't honestly say West Plains would dominate the SCA. The only reason being that Liberty is just THAT good this year.
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Hey Chaotic, you seem to have a grip on West Plains, what is driving their enrollment down? Up until 2000 their enrollment was going up and hit the highest at 1333 in the high school that year. Since then it has gone down every year and they are now down to about 1111, You look at their dese numbers and even the elementary numbers are down? I had Heard a local district had started a high school that only went to 8th grade before is that true?
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Hey Chaotic, you seem to have a grip on West Plains, what is driving their enrollment down? Up until 2000 their enrollment was going up and hit the highest at 1333 in the high school that year. Since then it has gone down every year and they are now down to about 1111, You look at their dese numbers and even the elementary numbers are down? I had Heard a local district had started a high school that only went to 8th grade before is that true?
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I'm not who you were asking, but I know Koshkonong is/was a K-8 district immediately south of West Plains, maybe that is who you are thinking of?
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Hey Chaotic, you seem to have a grip on West Plains, what is driving their enrollment down? Up until 2000 their enrollment was going up and hit the highest at 1333 in the high school that year. Since then it has gone down every year and they are now down to about 1111, You look at their dese numbers and even the elementary numbers are down? I had Heard a local district had started a high school that only went to 8th grade before is that true?
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I'll tell you as much about the state of the enrollment drop in West Plains that I can. I'm not originally from West Plains, nor did I graduate from there, but I have a lot of ties there.

West Plains is served by 7 elementary schools and 6 middle schools.

West Plains Elementary (K-4th)
West Plains Middle (5th-8th)
South Fork (K-6)
The Districts below this line are considered West Plains, but are each their own school district.
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Fairview (K-8)
Richards (K-8)
Howell Valley (K-8)
Glenwood (K-8)
Junction Hill (K-8)


If you live in the West Plains district(WP Elemen., WPMS), you must attend those schools, as well as WPHS.

If you live in the South Fork District, once you finish 6th Grade, you have the option to attend middle school and high school @ either West Plains or Bakersfield High School.

If you live in the Fairview District, once you finish Middle School, you have the option of attending Dora or West Plains

If you live in the Richards District, you have the option of attending either West Plains, Willow Springs, or Dora

If you live in the Junction Hill District, you can attend high school in either West Plains, Willow Springs, or Mountain View-Liberty(I'm not 100% on the Liberty part, but I believe that's correct)

If you live in the Howell Valley District, you have the option to attend high school in West Plains or Koshkonong

If you live in the Glenwood District, you have the option to attend high school in West Plains, Koshkonong, or Bakersfield.

So, with that being said, there are a lot of West Plains kids that attend Dora, Willow Springs, Bakersfield, Kosh after middle school for athletic reasons, getting varsity playing time early on, etc....

All those years that Dora was lights out in Class 1 baseball and basketball, 50% of their starters attended a West Plains School. The last time that Willow Springs was in the quarterfinals in basketball, two of their starters were from a West Plains school.
About 7-8 years ago, the Bakersfield girls basketball team went to the Final 4(their best player attended West Plains her freshman year and then switched to Bakersfield the next season, but because she was in that special district, she didn't have to move.)

I can't give you a super solid reason as to why the enrollment in West Plains is diminishing, but I do know that it has a lot to do with the fact that in the last 3 years, two of the towns largest employers moved their operations to elsewhere, leaving hundreds of West Plains residents without jobs.

Not having a consolidated school district isn't necessarily hurting West Plains, but the enrollment would definitely be higher if a consolidation would happen, but I doubt it ever does.

A lot of people don't realize this, but until about 4-5 years ago, those 5 schools didn't play middle school football, which means that upon arrival at the high school, more than half of the incoming freshman hadn't played football of any sort since mighty mights.
Now they all co-op with West Plains middle school for football.
 
Good clear report Chaotic; go on your record; you'll be getting that other stripe in a year or two.
 
Conferences serve just two purposes in high school-- Provide bling for lettermen jackets and make it easier to schedule games. I would be open to a third option in providing entertainment for this post board -- Go WVU and Cabool!...I digress.
I say we scrap football conferences, make the district opponents battle it out in the regular season and expand the playoffs with a crossover of the top three district finishers.
Keep the conferences for the minor sports affiliation.
 
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