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I think if Biden gets in that is a sign the higher ups in the dems are dumping Hillary. She has LOTS of things piling up against her and they have to be concerned.
Or it's a sign that he know it's his last chance.
There's no reason to believe the alternative. He can't beat her in the primaries and caucuses. The elites aren't idiots. They may want him in as a backup plan if she implodes, but they know he can't win anything otherwise.
He has ran twice already and got nowhere. He has a certain amount of esteem as VP but it would be lost if he makes another humiliating appearance. He won't run unless the powers that be are backing him.
I don't buy that, if you really, really want to be President, you're not that worried about losing.
It's like asking a girl out - she'll never say yes if you don't try. Biden's asked the girl out twice already, he can handle rejection.
It's like asking a girl out - she'll never say yes if you don't try. Biden's asked the girl out twice already, he can handle rejection.
At some point though, the guy has to figure out he's not just being rejected. After the girl laughs in your face and calls you a creep (what Bidens success has equaled) it's time to stop asking. Biden needs some reason to believe this time is different. I don't see what that is if it isn't behind the scenes maneuvering.
As a friend of mine once told me, you just have to find that 1 in 20 and you end up having a good night
In an October 2007 CNN Democratic Presidential poll, Hillary led Obama 50% to 21%. It's a long way from over, boys. Plenty of time for Hillary to continue to implode. She had a comfortable lead a mere one year before the 2008 election. The Dem debates will be crucial.
Bernie in 2016!!!
Bernie in 2016!!!
This commentary ignores the demographics of the D party - Bernie isn't making big in roads with minorities, and Hillary is still very popular with D women. Clinton was leading Obama in polls of black voters until Obama won Iowa - he had a large segment of the population ready to swing to him.
He is turning out his base really well, but the rest of the base doesn't engage with him.
Bernie Sanders is Howard Dean, not Barack Obama.
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The commentary doesn't ignore it is too early to count anyone out. Bernie is Bernie, not Dean or Obama.
Bernie in 2016.
If Bernie wins the nomination we lose the election. Same as if Trump wins his nomination they lose. If they run against each other who knows.
Bernie may be Bernie, but the heart of the D party has changed from what it was 30-50 years ago.
You can't win the D nomination if your appeal is limited to liberal whites, especially white men. 1 in 4 Dem primary voters is black. They have no interest in Sanders (he polls at around 2% with black voters - an astonishing number.) This is Clinton's firewall - the travails of 2008 are completely forgiven here; her poll numbers are off the charts with black voters, and Sanders isn't doing anything to fix this. 55-60% of the Dem primary voters are women. They love Clinton, too.
Sanders doesn't have anything that allows him to broaden his base - he's an old white guy in a party that disproportionately young, minority, and female. He already has a lot of support from his core constituency with no logical path to building out beyond his base. What does he offer women that Clinton doesn't offer? What does he offer black America? What does he offer Latinos that isn't already offered by Clinton? What black and Latino leaders have endorsed him? Etc.
You can count people out, even now. Sanders only hope is Clinton imploding at a point where it is too late for Biden to jump in.
Bernie has no chance even if Hillary implodes. Someone else will step into the role of "respected Democrat leader" besides Sanders. Biden is getting his broom ready to sweep Hillary aside. The blacks would have no problem voting for him.
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Why do you think so? As an independent, I will vote for Bernie, never vote for Hellary.
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Because people other than you get to vote too. To be a little more serious, running to the hard left or the hard right is generally not an electoral winner. It's the reason democrats would love for the Rs to nominate someone as dogmatic as Ted Cruz.
If you asked any R candidate if they could pick to run against sanders or Clinton, they would pick sanders. They'd never say that in public, but their advisers are all thinking it.
It's more than just politics, sanders doesn't want to use SuperPAC money. That would be a horrendous decision in an election where you opponent is going to have a SuperPAC that raises at least a billion.
Looking at the electoral history of this country...that isn't a requirement to win the presidency.
I like Bernie and I like Biden. I am not sure either can win a general and I think Democrats have that be also. Hillary will bruised from all of this but if everything comes out now she can have time to rehab her image AGAIN.
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