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Bernie Sanders: I'm listening

Bogey Man

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Just saw him on Bill Maher> Heard the name but nothing about his ideals. I like what he had to say. Although did a quick search and disagree with his support of allowing parents of immigrants free citizenship. But can't have everything. I may have a horse in the race.
 
I am starting to buy into the whole redistribution of wealth idea. We are the richest nation in the history of mankind, yet the gap between the rich and the middle class continues to grow larger. It's hard to conceive that the richest one half of 1% own 90% of our wealth. Our laws are designed to keep that wealth in the hands of the rich. The Walmart heirs are wealthier than 46% of the population combined. How much money do the Waltons and Kochs need? You may say they earned it, but it was on the backs of the middle class. And you may say that is socialism, but it is our society that made them rich. Yes, I find the perpetual welfare recipients appalling and disgusting, but I do believe that the great majority of Americans want to work and pull their own weight. I'm not jealous of the rich, I have no idea what it would be like filthy rich. But our system is designed to make the rich richer.

There is no reason we as a country do not have universal free health care. My biggest worry for retirement is the cost of health insurance, as most people. Someone once said that the mark of a great civilization is how they take care of their old and those unable to take care of themselves. We have failed miserably at that. There is no excuse for our elderly who have worked hard all of their life to sacrifice a decent standard of living because of the cost of health insurance and prescription drugs. Medicare doesn't take care of everything. How many people do you know that worked their entire life, and lost everything in old age because of medical costs and rest homes costs? They take every penny until there is nothing left. Like most Americans, if I didn't have to worry about insurance and medical expenses, my financial picture would be so much better.

Sanders on the military and the Middle East - Why is it that Saudi Arabia has the third largest defense spending in the world, and yet Americans are the ones leading the fight in the Middle East against their neighbors?

And finally, Sanders is the first candidate that wants to bring the environment to the forefront of American politics. As the richest nation in the world, we need to lead the way in development of alternative energy sources other than fossil fuels. Instead we continue to protect the financial interests of the wealthy corporations who continue with business as usual and have no incentive to develop energy sources other than oil and coal. We can put man on the moon and rovers on Mars, but we still cannot build affordable cars that do not burn gas. Why? Because the auto and oil industries are making money and have no reason to change.
 
Welcome aboard Bogey! He probably can't win, but he is getting some attention and it would be nice if he is able to have an effect on the platform for the Dems in 2016.
 
I am starting to buy into the whole redistribution of wealth idea. We are the richest nation in the history of mankind, yet the gap between the rich and the middle class continues to grow larger. It's hard to conceive that the richest one half of 1% own 90% of our wealth. Our laws are designed to keep that wealth in the hands of the rich. The Walmart heirs are wealthier than 46% of the population combined. How much money do the Waltons and Kochs need? You may say they earned it, but it was on the backs of the middle class. And you may say that is socialism, but it is our society that made them rich. Yes, I find the perpetual welfare recipients appalling and disgusting, but I do believe that the great majority of Americans want to work and pull their own weight. I'm not jealous of the rich, I have no idea what it would be like filthy rich. But our system is designed to make the rich richer.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. The rich getting richer isn't the problem though. The tax laws that allow companies like GE to pay ZERO in taxes is the problem. Raising the rate on someone paying ZERO will have no impact on them.

The answer is a tax system that prevents tax avoidance. The home mortgage deduction has prevented tax reform that would work. Every time the elimination of deductions is mentioned, people scream for fear of losing their precious deduction and the plan is scrapped.
The poor getting poorer is the problem. We simply have made it too easy to stay poor and too costly (losing benefits) to reach higher.
 
The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. The rich getting richer isn't the problem though. The tax laws that allow companies like GE to pay ZERO in taxes is the problem. Raising the rate on someone paying ZERO will have no impact on them.

The answer is a tax system that prevents tax avoidance. The home mortgage deduction has prevented tax reform that would work. Every time the elimination of deductions is mentioned, people scream for fear of losing their precious deduction and the plan is scrapped.
The poor getting poorer is the problem. We simply have made it too easy to stay poor and too costly (losing benefits) to reach higher.
That's bull and you know it. The demonizing of the poor by the right is ridiculous.
 
That's bull and you know it. The demonizing of the poor by the right is ridiculous.
If I had, it would be ridiculous. I said the poor getting poorer was the problem! I've also stated that the tax system CAN'T hammer the poor! We (at my workplace) routinely train people who have no hope of ever making a good living to the point of having an income of 50K/year with transferrable skills. Those people (who are hard to find willing to work) make the best and most loyal employees. Far too many just would rather go back too the "easy life" of staying poor. It is all they know. Everyone has a family member or friend or aquaintance they want to rescue from a life of no hope. Far too often they get a paycheck (if they last that long) and don't need to work anymore. They are used to getting just enough to get by on without having to put out effort.
 
IFar too many just would rather go back too the "easy life" of staying poor. It is all they know. Everyone has a family member or friend or aquaintance they want to rescue from a life of no hope. Far too often they get a paycheck (if they last that long) and don't need to work anymore. They are used to getting just enough to get by on without having to put out effort.
That's not demonizing them?
 
Far too many just would rather go back too the "easy life" of staying poor.
 
It's awful early to say he can't win. He is the first candidate I've heard that talks common sense and not just the party line sound bites.
 
Hillary will have a LOT of money and I don't know if Bernie can compete with that, but he is creating a buzz.
 
Bernie is the only one addressing the one thing that can fix our government. And that is wrestling control of all three branches of the Fed government out of the hands of billionaires.
 
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