Batting order.

[oldroundballer]

I don't like Goldy hitting 2nd. I don't feel like that maximizes his RBI potential. It only gives him one chance to have a runner on base in the first. After the first inning, with the pitcher hitting 9th he still only has a good chance of one runner on. If he's going to hit 2nd the pitcher needs to hit 8th and put Wong or Bader 9th to give a better chance of another runner on.

 

[3Rfan]

I don't like Goldy hitting 2nd. I don't feel like that maximizes his RBI potential. It only gives him one chance to have a runner on base in the first. After the first inning, with the pitcher hitting 9th he still only has a good chance of one runner on. If he's going to hit 2nd the pitcher needs to hit 8th and put Wong or Bader 9th to give a better chance of another runner on.

I have never understood having your best hitter/power guy in the 2 hole. I don't recall Pujols or Big Mac batting 2nd.

 

[wccards21]

I have never understood having your best hitter/power guy in the 2 hole. I don't recall Pujols or Big Mac batting 3rd.

You don't understand getting your best hitter more at bats? Everyone is hitting home runs, so who cares about having a 1990s model clean up hitter

Trout hits 2nd, and does just fine. He's just as good as Pujols and craps all over Mac

 

[Duck_walk]

I have never understood having your best hitter/power guy in the 2 hole. I don't recall Pujols or Big Mac batting 3rd.

I am sure this is a typo?? Pujols and Mac did bat third.

 

[3Rfan]

I am sure this is a typo?? Pujols and Mac did bat third.

Correct I meant 2nd.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Correct I meant 2nd.

Think about how much the game has changed, especially since Big Mac...or when Pujols was actually a relevant threat at the plate. It's a much different game, and I'm sure that's where the metrics are coming from. My problem with it in the NL is pretty simple, other than the first AB of the game the #9 spot is two batters in front of your best hitter. I get it in the AL...I don't in the NL...unless you hit your pitcher in the #8 hole. And that's an awful idea. If for nothing else, use the same philosophy as getting your best hitter more ABs moving them up a spot. Don't want your worst hitter getting more ABs by moving them up a spot. Lineup construction is just different between the leagues.

 

[Duck_walk]

Think about how much the game has changed, especially since Big Mac...or when Pujols was actually a relevant threat at the plate. It's a much different game, and I'm sure that's where the metrics are coming from. My problem with it in the NL is pretty simple, other than the first AB of the game the #9 spot is two batters in front of your best hitter. I get it in the AL...I don't in the NL...unless you hit your pitcher in the #8 hole. And that's an awful idea. If for nothing else, use the same philosophy as getting your best hitter more ABs moving them up a spot. Don't want your worst hitter getting more ABs by moving them up a spot. Lineup construction is just different between the leagues.

If we had held on to Pham, I think it would have been. Carp-Pham-Goldy. I would have liked that......

 

[Eagles_Ball]

If we had held on to Pham, I think it would have been. Carp-Pham-Goldy. I would have liked that......

So true.

 

[oldroundballer]

Think about how much the game has changed, especially since Big Mac...or when Pujols was actually a relevant threat at the plate. It's a much different game, and I'm sure that's where the metrics are coming from. My problem with it in the NL is pretty simple, other than the first AB of the game the #9 spot is two batters in front of your best hitter. I get it in the AL...I don't in the NL...unless you hit your pitcher in the #8 hole. And that's an awful idea. If for nothing else, use the same philosophy as getting your best hitter more ABs moving them up a spot. Don't want your worst hitter getting more ABs by moving them up a spot. Lineup construction is just different between the leagues.

This is why I like the best hitter #3 in the NL.

I go ahead and say I'd like to see Wong get a chance at lead off while he's hot. Then Marp. Then Goldy. If Wong can keep getting on and do some running in front of Marp it would Marp and Goldy both more RBI chances. Of course Marp might fall off the face of the earth again if he doesn't get to bat first but I wouldn't mind giving it a try for a little while.

Speaking of Trout, last year he had 39 HRs but only 79 RBIs while hitting .321. Looks like they might have benefited from more runners on base in front of him.

 

[3Rfan]

Think about how much the game has changed, especially since Big Mac...or when Pujols was actually a relevant threat at the plate. It's a much different game, and I'm sure that's where the metrics are coming from. My problem with it in the NL is pretty simple, other than the first AB of the game the #9 spot is two batters in front of your best hitter. I get it in the AL...I don't in the NL...unless you hit your pitcher in the #8 hole. And that's an awful idea. If for nothing else, use the same philosophy as getting your best hitter more ABs moving them up a spot. Don't want your worst hitter getting more ABs by moving them up a spot. Lineup construction is just different between the leagues.

How many more AB's do you get in a season by batting 2nd instead of 3rd? Put what you think is your best hitter, that also has power, in the 3 hole and let him hack away and somebody that has power but maybe not the OBP in the 4 spot. I don't care what year it is the 3 hole is THE best place for a guy like Goldy just as it was for Big Mac and Pujols. Even if your in there American League your #9 hitter is there for reason, he can't hit like guys at the top of the lineup, not to be guy that gets on all the time for your #2 hitter.

 

[wccards21]

This is why I like the best hitter #3 in the NL.

I go ahead and say I'd like to see Wong get a chance at lead off while he's hot. Then Marp. Then Goldy. If Wong can keep getting on and do some running in front of Marp it would Marp and Goldy both more RBI chances. Of course Marp might fall off the face of the earth again if he doesn't get to bat first but I wouldn't mind giving it a try for a little while.

Speaking of Trout, last year he had 39 HRs but only 79 RBIs while hitting .321. Looks like they might have benefited from more runners on base in front of him.

That has a lot more to do with how awful LAA is compared to his spot in the order

 

[wccards21]

That has a lot more to do with how awful LAA is compared to his spot in the order

For comparison

Bryant spent the majority of 2016 batting 2nd. Did the vast majority of his damage hitting 2nd. He won the MVP, had 39 HR,121 runs and 102 RBI. I think those are pretty decent numbers

 

[Duck_walk]

So true.

The Phamster reached base in his 39th straight game last night.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

The Phamster reached base in his 39th straight game last night.

Deals like the Pham and Voit deals really make me question Mo's ability. There's no secret he's struggled since Lunhow left for Houston...Imagine an OF/lineup of Pham, Bader, and JMart.
Marp--3B
Pham--LF
Goldy--1B
JMart--RF
Dejong--SS
Molina--C
Wong--2B
Bader--CF

I like that a good deal better than what's going on right now. I just don't get the Pham thing. Shipped out because of a chip on his shoulder or discontent with management. Yet, you're going to let a lazy POS that can't run after fly balls and throws like an 8 yr old girl play LF. It's baffling to me.

 

[3Rfan]

Deals like the Pham and Voit deals really make me question Mo's ability. There's no secret he's struggled since Lunhow left for Houston...Imagine an OF/lineup of Pham, Bader, and JMart.
Marp--3B
Pham--LF
Goldy--1B
JMart--RF
Dejong--SS
Molina--C
Wong--2B
Bader--CF

I like that a good deal better than what's going on right now. I just don't get the Pham thing. Shipped out because of a chip on his shoulder or discontent with management. Yet, you're going to let a lazy POS that can't run after fly balls and throws like an 8 yr old girl play LF. It's baffling to me.

OK I saw the stats today. Hitting #2 instead of #3 'might' get him 18 more AB's a year. If he does really well that is 6 more hits, the rest will be fly balls/line drives that don't leave the yard, a few ground balls with DP or two in there and a couple of strikeouts. Hitting 3rd 'should' get him more AB's with runners on, hopefully in scoring position in case he doesn't hit a HR.

 

[wccards21]

3R, you should probably go tell Boston that they won the WS all wrong last year. They have Betts leading off. He should be batting 3rd