Sorry, I wanted to see what it's like to ride on others coat tails, similar to many on this board.
Nah, it's not for me.
Nah, it's not for me.
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b1g is top heavy.Only has MSU and OSU.
Mizzou fans don't need to SEC SEC SEC. We had fun in our bowl game. Did you?
Mizzou fans don't need to SEC SEC SEC. We had fun in our bowl game. Did you?
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Wait til Michigan gets back in the mix.
It will be like the old days in a couple years. Michigan, Ohio State... then Michigan St--always losing close ones.
It will be like the old days in a couple years. Michigan, Ohio State... then Michigan St--always losing close ones.
I graduated from an SEC school and love SEC football in general. But I think it is perfect how the first year of the CFB playoffs worked out. Having a 4-seed win in the inaugural year? That's incredible. And it shows the level of parity that actually exists in the game, the further away we move from man-made biases.
I know they lost to VaTech earlier this year, but Ohio State looked unstoppable last night. They played the part of the dominant SEC teams we've come to see over the years. They were big, fast, strong, deep and freakishly athletic, and they had no problems keeping up with the speed and flash of Oregon. They won with their third string quarterback, for crying out loud. Although, Zeke Elliot carried the team. The Buckeyes will start the year No. 1 next season, and it would almost be an upset if they didn't end up in the playoffs again.
This parity is healthy for the game, great for the fans, and fun for all of us who don't actually play the game anymore to talk about.
Now, if they can just bump the bracket up to 8 teams, then we'd have some really, really, really fun matchups.
I know they lost to VaTech earlier this year, but Ohio State looked unstoppable last night. They played the part of the dominant SEC teams we've come to see over the years. They were big, fast, strong, deep and freakishly athletic, and they had no problems keeping up with the speed and flash of Oregon. They won with their third string quarterback, for crying out loud. Although, Zeke Elliot carried the team. The Buckeyes will start the year No. 1 next season, and it would almost be an upset if they didn't end up in the playoffs again.
This parity is healthy for the game, great for the fans, and fun for all of us who don't actually play the game anymore to talk about.
Now, if they can just bump the bracket up to 8 teams, then we'd have some really, really, really fun matchups.
silly. Mizzou won their bowl game convincingly against a b1g team.
Your team ( and most haters teams) lost their bowl games. Have fun next year losing your line and QB.
In a BAD year the SEC still won more bowl games than any other conference. What's that say about the other conferences?
Enjoy. b1g is top heavy. 2 teams. That's it. Think that's what I heard from your uncle peat about the SEC. Why isn't he calling out the b1g?
Haters.
Your team ( and most haters teams) lost their bowl games. Have fun next year losing your line and QB.
In a BAD year the SEC still won more bowl games than any other conference. What's that say about the other conferences?
Enjoy. b1g is top heavy. 2 teams. That's it. Think that's what I heard from your uncle peat about the SEC. Why isn't he calling out the b1g?
Haters.
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Mizzou won their bowl game. SEC East went undefeated in the bowl season and the SEC won more bowl games than any other conference. Again.
Bad year for SEC would be the BEST year for any other conference.
That's why the haters hate.
Did nubs beat Minny? K.Originally posted by wccards21:
That freshly cooked crow?
Mizzou won their bowl game. SEC East went undefeated in the bowl season and the SEC won more bowl games than any other conference. Again.
Bad year for SEC would be the BEST year for any other conference.
That's why the haters hate.
The BIGs fans dont act like idiots with their biggest accomplishment being they won a hohum bowl game against a team ranked worse than them. As soon as the west side got beat out and the east side won it was "See the east is just as good".
I guess the SEC CHampionship didnt happen proving the west is dominant over the east. And yes Ohio State did have an upsetting loss but lets look over the last three seasons for them, 2012 undefeated, 2013 two losses, 2014 one loss and a National Championship. Yet with that you have done nothing but mouth how bad they are and use SAGS paper champions as proof. I just wonder had they been Bowl eligible in 2012 or lets say there would have been a playoff the last 10 years how many championships would the SEC really have? Two years in a row theyve been beat including the prestigious BAMA losing two straight bowls. Did MU have a great season, sure, one worthy of acting like a dbag I think not. Its not MU the other posters hate why would they most of their teams have and still would beat MU year in year out its the majority of your fanatic posts bragging after a grueling Vandy win or mouthing a team like OU who have dominated MU forever.
I just thought it was ironic that you would call the Big 10 top heavy even though Mizzou(who was good this year) lost to a team that was 1-7 in the Big 10...
...but by all means, instead of addressing your contradiction, just point to the scoreboard of a different game that's unrelated to the topic(nothing childish about that!
Well, Wisconsin got absolutely destroyed by Ohio state and they lost to a pretty average LSU team. Not really convinced they were that good this year. I guess it depends how good you think Minnesota really is. Mizzou handled them rather easily.
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Handling them "easily" isn't 19-17 in the 4th. Ohio State ended up beating Oregon 35-20 (I don't count the last score) and I wouldn't say that Ohio State handled them easily.
Again 1 or 2 games doesn't define quality. Just on the other forum you listed Minnesota as a quality win....so are they quality or are they not? They took the SEC East Champ 19-17 in the 4th (And remember the SEC East went 5-0 as many are you are quick to point out).
I think they're quality, but there's a difference between being a top level team and a quality opponent.
You don't consider a 15 point differential pretty significant? If a team is a 15 point underdog, would you consider those teams to be close to equal?
Well, if we get to pick and choose which quarters we get to look at, I'm going to take away the first quarter. Wow, 33-10. Mizzou stomped Minnesota worse than I though.
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You don't consider a 15 point differential pretty significant? If a team is a 15 point underdog, would you consider those teams to be close to equal?
Well, if we get to pick and choose which quarters we get to look at, I'm going to take away the first quarter. Wow, 33-10. Mizzou stomped Minnesota worse than I though.
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I didn't list them as a top level team...I listed them as a top part of the B1G along with Wisconsin in response to Veer saying there are only 2 teams that are a part of the "Top heavy" B1G. I consider a 15 point differential significant...but it doesn't mean a team handled them throughout the ball game. If its a tie game in the middle of the 4th and one of the teams scores two TD's late then thats a 14 point differential, but it doesn't mean they handled them. If there's a game where the closest the score ever gets is 15...then thats handling someone easily.
Ohio State controlled the game (much like Mizzou) but didn't "easily handle" Oregon. A 15 point underdog is a bad example because the bookies are basing on the entirety of the season among other factors (injuries, recent play, etc.). How often do we see a 15-point underdog in a game that actually means something. For example, Mizzou (SEC East champ) was only favored by 3 against Minnesota who is by your accounts a slightly above average B1G team?
It doesn't really matter anyway...as Veer quite often points out that his team won their bowl game while the haters didn't. Ill just point out that my team is B1G Champs, Sugar Bowl Champs, and National Champs.
B1G!Originally posted by PlayerTwo:
I didn't list them as a top level team...I listed them as a top part of the B1G along with Wisconsin in response to Veer saying there are only 2 teams that are a part of the "Top heavy" B1G. I consider a 15 point differential significant...but it doesn't mean a team handled them throughout the ball game. If its a tie game in the middle of the 4th and one of the teams scores two TD's late then thats a 14 point differential, but it doesn't mean they handled them. If there's a game where the closest the score ever gets is 15...then thats handling someone easily.
Ohio State controlled the game (much like Mizzou) but didn't "easily handle" Oregon. A 15 point underdog is a bad example because the bookies are basing on the entirety of the season among other factors (injuries, recent play, etc.). How often do we see a 15-point underdog in a game that actually means something. For example, Mizzou (SEC East champ) was only favored by 3 against Minnesota who is by your accounts a slightly above average B1G team?
It doesn't really matter anyway...as Veer quite often points out that his team won their bowl game while the haters didn't. Ill just point out that my team is B1G Champs, Sugar Bowl Champs, and National Champs.
I'm not sure how it's a bad example. So what if Vegas factors in everything to a spears? Do games not also factor in everything that goes on culminating to the game? Vegas spreads are the expectations of teams against one another. So what you're in fact saying is that you agree that a 15 point spread is a large margin, but if the game actually ends up being a 15 point game, it's not actually handling an opponent? I don't get that. I also don't get picking and choosing points in the game that you deem relevant vs not relevant. But whatever, agree to disagree.
As far as "games that matter" not having high point spreads, I looked at the conference championship games and the playoff games. 2 had high point spreads, a fairly significant percentage.
Mizzou was a 14 point dog to bama.
Arizona was a 14.5 dog to Oregon.
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As far as "games that matter" not having high point spreads, I looked at the conference championship games and the playoff games. 2 had high point spreads, a fairly significant percentage.
Mizzou was a 14 point dog to bama.
Arizona was a 14.5 dog to Oregon.
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The top heavy comment was directed at posters that claimed that about the SEC being carried by Bama.Originally posted by PlayerTwo:
I didn't list them as a top level team...I listed them as a top part of the B1G along with Wisconsin in response to Veer saying there are only 2 teams that are a part of the "Top heavy" B1G. I consider a 15 point differential significant...but it doesn't mean a team handled them throughout the ball game. If its a tie game in the middle of the 4th and one of the teams scores two TD's late then thats a 14 point differential, but it doesn't mean they handled them. If there's a game where the closest the score ever gets is 15...then thats handling someone easily.
Ohio State controlled the game (much like Mizzou) but didn't "easily handle" Oregon. A 15 point underdog is a bad example because the bookies are basing on the entirety of the season among other factors (injuries, recent play, etc.). How often do we see a 15-point underdog in a game that actually means something. For example, Mizzou (SEC East champ) was only favored by 3 against Minnesota who is by your accounts a slightly above average B1G team?
It doesn't really matter anyway...as Veer quite often points out that his team won their bowl game while the haters didn't. Ill just point out that my team is B1G Champs, Sugar Bowl Champs, and National Champs.
Is Minny a great win or just a good win?
Yes. 15 points is a large margin, but it does NOT equal handling an opponent. Refer back to my last example...Tie game in the middle of the 4th and that team scores twice in the last 7 minutes to make it a 14 point game. So basically you are saying that if you control 1/8 of a game that you handled that opponent? That is what doesn't make sense to me. You said a game is 4 quarters, right?...same applies here. How many times has someone said the final score doesn't indicate how close the game really was? I don't think I ever said you can pick and choose points. Every point is relevant....some just more relevant than others. Hence the term "Garbage/Junk time"...
So of all the conference championships and playoff games, you gave me two example of highly mismatched conference championships involving the 2 best teams in the country at the time. Two examples doesn't indicate a trend. And for the record, despite the point spread and final score...I don't believe Alabama "handled" Mizzou either. Oregon handled FSU. TCU handled Ole miss. Ohio State handled Wisconsin.
I would agree of you score in the last 15 seconds or something that should be less important to you, but that's not what happened in either the mizzou game or the osu game (osu was ahead by 15 with 10 min in the 4th).
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I was nervous during the OSU/Oregon game until there was about 2 minutes left and they got the stop deep in Oregon's territory. Knowing how fast Oregon can score keeps you on the edge of your seat.
By your logic, you can "handle" an opponent 1/8th of a game and that would be considered handling an opponent. I don't agree with that. But agree to disagree my friend...
