Are the Cardinals really into analytics?

[Toots_mcgee]

Of the final 14 baserunners inherited by Alex Reyes this season, TEN (yes 10) scored.
That is 71.4%. That is why he lost the 9th inning job. Who in their right mind would put him in during the 9th inning of a winner take all game with a man on?

They could have had Cabrera start that inning or come in like Reyes did. Same with Whitley. Or they could have had Flaherty start the inning. There were multiple options and Schildt chose the one most likely to blow up in his face.

 

[3Rfan]

Of the final 14 baserunners inherited by Alex Reyes this season, TEN (yes 10) scored.
That is 71.4%. That is why he lost the 9th inning job. Who in their right mind would put him in during the 9th inning of a winner take all game with a man on?

They could have had Cabrera start that inning or come in like Reyes did. Same with Whitley. Or they could have had Flaherty start the inning. There were multiple options and Schildt chose the one most likely to blow up in his face.

I hafta wonder if Reyes can ever recover from this. He's blown up in too many crucial spots to think he has the mental toughness to get back what he had when he saved so many games early in the season.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

 

[503_Maple]

Well I’d blame first the fact we left double digits on base. A good team finds a way to scrape 1-2 more of those across the board. The dodgers played horribly with the bats, and Max wasn’t the sharpest. We lost because of our bats. NOT that Reyes ISNT a problem. Just wasn’t the main reason we lost. People who aren’t seeing the full picture blame Reyes. He wouldn’t have pitched if we played better.

 

[3Rfan]

Well I’d blame first the fact we left double digits on base. A good team finds a way to scrape 1-2 more of those across the board. The dodgers played horribly with the bats, and Max wasn’t the sharpest. We lost because of our bats. NOT that Reyes ISNT a problem. Just wasn’t the main reason we lost. People who aren’t seeing the full picture blame Reyes. He wouldn’t have pitched if we played better.

It's HIS job to give the offense another shot or close it out when they have a lead.

 

[503_Maple]

It's HIS job to give the offense another shot or close it out when they have a lead.

Yes because that offensive performance gave you any reason to think it would matter? So 7-9 guys who batted in that game 3 plus times have zero fault? You actually understand the game if you can see past the closer as fault. He’s not even pitching if everyone else did thier job. They weren’t asked to score 3+. Just 2….. They only pitched him out of the circumstances given with the tie. Mikey said he wouldn’t have otherwise.

 

[503_Maple]

It's HIS job to give the offense another shot or close it out when they have a lead.

I’ll also point out for my final point. This is beating a dead horse after this. He’s been bad. Has been for half a season. But the bats have been hot. Everyone did their job pitching outside of him. The bats let the team down. They played how they did for that 3 month period. I’m personally dont understand being more mad about a dude who sucks, sucking. When the bats had tons of opportunities to give us the game. Dodgers didn’t play that well. It’s ignorant to only look at the closer.

 

[3Rfan]

I’ll also point out for my final point. This is beating a dead horse after this. He’s been bad. Has been for half a season. But the bats have been hot. Everyone did their job pitching outside of him. The bats let the team down. They played how they did for that 3 month period. I’m personally dont understand being more mad about a dude who sucks, sucking. When the bats had tons of opportunities to give us the game. Dodgers didn’t play that well. It’s ignorant to only look at the closer.

Nobody is looking at only he closer but is HIS job to give them another chance. He will be back and it appears he will in the rotation. Maybe he can handle that better with more margin for error. BTW the Dodgers have some pretty good pitching.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

The point of my post wasn’t to blame Reyes.
Its pointing out the absurdity of the decision made by the coaching staff.

 

[503_Maple]

Nobody is looking at only he closer but is HIS job to give them another chance. He will be back and it appears he will in the rotation. Maybe he can handle that better with more margin for error. BTW the Dodgers have some pretty good pitching.

YES and it’s everyone’s job to do their job. Closing is the hardest thing in baseball. I won’t beat the dead horse but you just aren’t looking at the actual problem. Max wasn’t on, our bats looked lost. A few swung at shit every time. Our bats needed to hit. I think because I look at the whole picture we need at least 2 bats in this lineup. I look at them more as the team we saw all season more so then the one that played during the win streak. They were bigger on our struggles. We had depth issues with pitching. Our bats had more time then not to prove themselves ultimately didn’t at the end of the day as a group.

 

[503_Maple]

The point of my post wasn’t to blame Reyes.
Its pointing out the absurdity of the decision made by the coaching staff.

That’s closer to something I’d blame. He could’ve pitched a starter. But I’ll always fall back on our horrid offense not hitting a human Max (he was in this game) with multiple opportunities with runners on. That’s far more unacceptable to me.

 

[oldroundballer]

That’s closer to something I’d blame. He could’ve pitched a starter. But I’ll always fall back on our horrid offense not hitting a human Max (he was in this game) with multiple opportunities with runners on. That’s far more unacceptable to me.

Hitting and scoring runs is never guaranteed. Sometimes no matter how hard you try it just doesn't happen. The Dodgers weren't exactly tearing it up either. It's the manager's job to put players in the best position to be successful. Shildt did that with the hitters. Can't really fault him there. But he failed with the Reyes decision and it ended up costing them the game. We'll never know what might have happened with a different pitcher. But few people had confidence in Reyes in a spot like that. Probably himself included.

I hope Reyes turns into the star a lot of folks think he can be. I'm skeptical at this point. I hope he proves me wrong next year.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Well I’d blame first the fact we left double digits on base. A good team finds a way to scrape 1-2 more of those across the board. The dodgers played horribly with the bats, and Max wasn’t the sharpest. We lost because of our bats. NOT that Reyes ISNT a problem. Just wasn’t the main reason we lost. People who aren’t seeing the full picture blame Reyes. He wouldn’t have pitched if we played better.

Yeah...but the thing is...you don't make that decision to go with Reyes based on the bats. Sure, the 0-11 with RISP are a whole deal. BUT, the decision to go with Reyes became THE mistake in the moment. I don't blame Reyes, hell, he did what he's been doing the entire second half of the season. He gave up a bomb. Shildt is to blame for the decision. He knows the numbers, but instead relies on a gut-feeling for someone very inexperienced in the position. It's the same thing that nauseated me about Matheny. He's got arrogance in his decision-making for no good reason.

 

[503_Maple]

Hitting and scoring runs is never guaranteed. Sometimes no matter how hard you try it just doesn't happen. The Dodgers weren't exactly tearing it up either. It's the manager's job to put players in the best position to be successful. Shildt did that with the hitters. Can't really fault him there. But he failed with the Reyes decision and it ended up costing them the game. We'll never know what might have happened with a different pitcher. But few people had confidence in Reyes in a spot like that. Probably himself included.

I hope Reyes turns into the star a lot of folks think he can be. I'm skeptical at this point. I hope he proves me wrong next year.

Same with pitching. Not promised as well? So lol

 

[oldroundballer]

Same with pitching. Not promised as well? So lol

You're right it's not. But they have to be put in the right spots to give them the best chance. Clearly that didn't happen with Reyes.

To me Reyes in the pen was about like Marp on the bench. Both would have been my last option to put in the game in a do or die situation.

 

[503_Maple]

You're right it's not. But they have to be put in the right spots to give them the best chance. Clearly that didn't happen with Reyes.

To me Reyes in the pen was about like Marp on the bench. Both would have been my last option to put in the game in a do or die situation.

A better pitching or hitting coach wouldn’t have made the pitchers or hitters hit or pitch better. That’s always been my argument when everyone mid season wants both fired.

 

[3Rfan]

Hitting and scoring runs is never guaranteed. Sometimes no matter how hard you try it just doesn't happen. The Dodgers weren't exactly tearing it up either. It's the manager's job to put players in the best position to be successful. Shildt did that with the hitters. Can't really fault him there. But he failed with the Reyes decision and it ended up costing them the game. We'll never know what might have happened with a different pitcher. But few people had confidence in Reyes in a spot like that. Probably himself included.

I hope Reyes turns into the star a lot of folks think he can be. I'm skeptical at this point. I hope he proves me wrong next year.

That "human" as you call him didn't lose a game in a Dodger uniform and even on his bad day he kept it a 1 run game til his manager got him out before his off day turned into a 3 or 4 run inning.
Who had better bats than the Cardinals down the stretch and what would you have done to change what was happening in the middle of the game?

 

[503_Maple]

That "human" as you call him didn't lose a game in a Dodger uniform and even on his bad day he kept it a 1 run game til his manager got him out before his off day turned into a 3 or 4 run inning.
Who had better bats than the Cardinals down the stretch and what would you have done to change what was happening in the middle of the game?

Nothing. I’m just making people flustered who get emotional over a game we were lucky to be in, in the first place. Y’all not only were we lucky, if our bats did something we’d have the honor to be swept by the Giants. I’d rather lose toe dodgers game personally.

 

[3Rfan]

Nothing. I’m just making people flustered who get emotional over a game we were lucky to be in, in the first place. Y’all not only were we lucky, if our bats did something we’d have the honor to be swept by the Giants. I’d rather lose toe dodgers game personally.

I'd say your posts sounded as emotional as anyone else.

 

[503_Maple]

I'd say your posts sounded as emotional as anyone else.

Nope. I’m laughing while typing. Cardinals fans are definitely NOT the best in baseball. Go to any forum. Any criticism that’s differing from the masses is not accepted lol. This is so predictable in regards to the criticism. Closer blew game, while game including circumstances are all on pitcher. Yeah ok. Lol

 

[3Rfan]

Nope. I’m laughing while typing. Cardinals fans are definitely NOT the best in baseball. Go to any forum. Any criticism that’s differing from the masses is not accepted lol. This is so predictable in regards to the criticism. Closer blew game, while game including circumstances are all on pitcher. Yeah ok. Lol

So you just want to be a troll, got it. And your team is?