Another One Bites the Dust
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While it is possible, I find it hard to believe there is any dirt that wasn't uncovered during the recall battles.
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That depends on what you think is bad. Clinton is a much more of a centrist than Obama ever was or will be.
It's not what I think of MS Clinton, but what the white Rep. guys in congress think about having a female for Pres. They never got used to having an African American as Pres/ From the 1st day in office they decided to do everything possible to make sure he failed and I think it will be worst if a female gets the office.
Koch brothers - really? All they do is employ roughly 60,000 people in what are roundly regarded as well paying jobs across the spectrum (blue - white collar). They strongly encourage and advocate for their employees to contribute and participate in philanthropic causes (of the employee;'s choosing), even providing generous paid time off for the venture(s). Koch Industries is by pretty much all accounts one of the most well run companies in the U.S., and for students coming out of school a sought after place to work. Not many companies today offer continued growth opportunity like Koch.The whole country wins....
. Another Koch brothers loss.
Love it.
Do they give to Libertarian and Republican causes - Yes. Is it illegal - No. Further, a very strong argument can be made that they have contributed much more to the common good than the insider trading (convicted), foreign national, scumbag George Soros. You want a personification of evil Wall Street (albeit international) then George is your man. The impact that a foreign national has on our political process is far more concerning than that of U.S. citizens that actually contribute to the economy via their corporate success. George Soros is out for George Soros and he is not above crippling an economy for self gain.
You might not agree with the causes to which the Koch's contribute, but I posit that they have earned that right in a far more honest way than the liberal's banker. Harry Reid and the democrats have demonized the Koch's as they scare the heck out of them. They are the counter-balance to the foreign money that comes from Soros. The fact that they (liberals) hold such an ethical scumbag in such high regard pretty much says it all.
The Koch brothers will be happy when they control and pollute the entire world. Nice PR campaign though. I wouldn't urinate on either one of them if they were on fire in my drive way. The robber barons of the 1800s tried to clear their conscience and acquire good will thru philanthropic pursuits also. Oldest trick in the book.
So providing a very good salary and benefits to 60,000 people is a bad thing? Koch funded retirement for their employees is probably better than relying on good old social security, medicare or Obamacare. I would think that the country, and in particular the middle class would be better off with more companies like Koch. I guess you would prefer that the Fed be the primary employer/provider rather than the private sector. How are things in Greece btw?
Any thoughts on George Soros? I guess money gotten by insider trading, and economic harm/consequences be damned as long as I profit is cleansed when invested in liberal/socialist causes. Remind me again how many people George Soros employs in the U.S. Do you think his activities have possibly caused people to lose their jobs?
Any thoughts on George Soros? I guess money gotten by insider trading, and economic harm/consequences be damned as long as I profit is cleansed when invested in liberal/socialist causes. Remind me again how many people George Soros employs in the U.S. Do you think his activities have possibly caused people to lose their jobs?
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Other than the Koch brothers being habitual liars, buying every republican politician, and hell bent on destroying the environment, you have an excellent point.
You cannot seriously believe that the United States is even close to Greece.
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Buying every Republican politician, habitual liar, hell bent on destroying the environment... pretty broad accusations. Did you get that from this morning's HuffPo?
I don't think I said the U.S. was Greece, but if you want an example of what entitlements and over-reliance on government will get you it is example "1."
There is high comedy in praising the Koch brothers while dinging Soros. They do the same things - take advantage of the system to make billions which they spend on their pet causes
The Koch brothers made billions by polluting the earth, let's not pretend they are nobles. And they actively spend their money in ways which allow them to avoid restrictions on their business.
How many people (i.e. contributors to the economy of the U.S.) does Soros employ. Of what crime have the Koch's ever been charged of, let alone convicted. How are the Koch's any different than a Henry Ford, or J.C. Hall. I would think that most would be supportive of a company that keeps so many off the public dole and in good paying jobs.
We might agree that neither should be able to influence politics with their obscene donations. However, at the least I think it is a fair statement that the Koch's have a far more positive impact on our country and economy due to their business than a pirate/convict like Soros.
We might agree that neither should be able to influence politics with their obscene donations. However, at the least I think it is a fair statement that the Koch's have a far more positive impact on our country and economy due to their business than a pirate/convict like Soros.
Unethical is not the same thing as criminal
Employing people doesn't make you a good person. Al Capone was mentioned earlier today in this thread - he employed a lot of people.
Henry Ford is different from the Kochs or Soros. He had distasteful political beliefs but he didn't lobby for his business to be free to do whatever it pleased without regard to societal or environmental costs. We also knew a lot less about the environment in 1920 than we do now.
Employing people doesn't make you a good person. Al Capone was mentioned earlier today in this thread - he employed a lot of people.
Henry Ford is different from the Kochs or Soros. He had distasteful political beliefs but he didn't lobby for his business to be free to do whatever it pleased without regard to societal or environmental costs. We also knew a lot less about the environment in 1920 than we do now.
Actually Soros has been convicted in the past of insider trading. His activities in relation to foreign currency markets while not illegal - and maybe not strictly unethical were pretty scummy (couldn't think of a different word). The Koch's have not been convicted and are not operating outside of current environmental law.
I got that from their actions. Perhaps you should educate yourself on Koch industries and what they do. It's amazing how you can operate inside the law when you essentially write the laws where you operate.
There are zero parallels between Greece and the United States, but it is a good scare tactic.
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