Abortion anytime in New York

[outsideveer89]

Now legal to abort a baby up until the due date if the health of the mother is in question

So a perfectly healthy baby is going to be born tomorrow and the Libs think it's perfectly fine to murder it today

The Democrats just guaranteed that the Supreme Court will revisit roe vs wade

 

[wccards21]

So it's ok for the mother to die, as long as the baby is born

Good to know. That's very Pro-Life of you

 

[DirtyDan17]

So it's ok for the mother to die, as long as the baby is born

Good to know. That's very Pro-Life of you

He said if the health of the mother is in question, not the life of the mother. That distinction leaves a lot of wiggle room for abortion right up to the due date.

But by all means keep using hyperbole to make your point.

 

[wccards21]

He said if the health of the mother is in question, not the life of the mother. That distinction leaves a lot of wiggle room for abortion right up to the due date.

But by all means keep using hyperbole to make your point.

Yes, let's just assume they mean if the mother could catch a cold

 

[DirtyDan17]

Yes, let's just assume they mean if the mother could catch a cold

Is that an impossibility?

 

[outsideveer89]

He said if the health of the mother is in question, not the life of the mother. That distinction leaves a lot of wiggle room for abortion right up to the due date.

But by all means keep using hyperbole to make your point.

That's exactly the point the law used to read the life of the mother they have now changed it to the health of the mother it is also legal now for non-doctors to perform abortions in the state of New York

 

[millerbleach]

It is also allowed to kill any baby surviving the abortion procedure. THAT is how desperate the left is to kill babies.
What was that about safe, legal, and rare? Safe....don't need a doctor. Legal.....at any point for any reason. Rare......as many as possible even if they are born alive.

 

[outsideveer89]

It is also allowed to kill any baby surviving the abortion procedure. THAT is how desperate the left is to kill babies.
What was that about safe, legal, and rare? Safe....don't need a doctor. Legal.....at any point for any reason. Rare......as many as possible even if they are born alive.

Yep an 8 month baby is aborted,,,,it survives the procedure intact and viable and its legal to kill the child.

And the left wing Libs try to take the moral high ground. Completely unbelievable

 

[millerbleach]

They always try to say they don't support abortion just the "right" to choose. This goes way beyond making abortion an option for cases deemed "worthy".

It is the same way with the wall. They claim they want secure borders but fight against options that work.

Libs know where the public stands on these issues and try to frame the discussion so as to appear to be in step. The reality is they have a far more destructive goal every time.

 

[outsideveer89]

They always try to say they don't support abortion just the "right" to choose. This goes way beyond making abortion an option for cases deemed "worthy".

It is the same way with the wall. They claim they want secure borders but fight against options that work.

Libs know where the public stands on these issues and try to frame the discussion so as to appear to be in step. The reality is they have a far more destructive goal every time.

I am completely Pro-Choice,,,a woman has the undeniable right to chose if she wants to have sex or not.

After she decides to have sex she has no right to kill another human

 

[Veer2Eternity]

They always try to say they don't support abortion just the "right" to choose. This goes way beyond making abortion an option for cases deemed "worthy".

It is the same way with the wall. They claim they want secure borders but fight against options that work.

Libs know where the public stands on these issues and try to frame the discussion so as to appear to be in step. The reality is they have a far more destructive goal every time.

Gop in complete control of government last two years and i dont recall any bills passed to end abortion.

Yet its the 'libs' fault.

Wake up snowflake

 

[73 winch]

Since Republican's are racist, and the majority of abortions are performed on minorities, it's easy to see why they have a pro-abortion platfor............oh wait

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Since Republican's are racist, and the majority of abortions are performed on minorities, it's easy to see why they have a pro-abortion platfor............oh wait

Do something about it? You had the power.

Wonder why nothing ever gets changed

 

[outsideveer89]

Gop in complete control of government last two years and i dont recall any bills passed to end abortion.

Yet its the 'libs' fault.

Wake up snowflake

Gop in complete control of government last two years and i dont recall any bills passed to end abortion.

Yet its the 'libs' fault.

Wake up snowflake

You are completely ignorant. It's impossible to be in total control of the federal government unless you have a supermajority in the Senate

 

[Veer2Eternity]

You are completely ignorant. It's impossible to be in total control of the federal government unless you have a supermajority in the Senate

Put it up for vote son.
You're sounding like mcconell

 

[73 winch]

Veer2 is your typical dem.

Hates blacks.

Tries to blame it on the pubs.

The minorities are starting to see it.

Has he apologized for spreading false witness and promoting violence on those school children yet?

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Veer2 is your typical dem.

Hates blacks.

Tries to blame it on the pubs.

The minorities are starting to see it.

Has he apologized for spreading false witness and promoting violence on those school children yet?

Dont try to change the subject.
Gop owns abortion. They did zip about it twice now.
Surely some of you will figure it out someday

 

[73 winch]

Dont try to change the subject.
Gop owns abortion. They did zip about it twice now.
Surely some of you will figure it out someday

K, champ

 

[3Rfan]

They always try to say they don't support abortion just the "right" to choose. This goes way beyond making abortion an option for cases deemed "worthy".

It is the same way with the wall. They claim they want secure borders but fight against options that work.

Libs know where the public stands on these issues and try to frame the discussion so as to appear to be in step. The reality is they have a far more destructive goal every time.

Hiring enough agents to cover every mile of the border at all times would work pretty dang good.

 

[wccards21]

Dont try to change the subject.
Gop owns abortion. They did zip about it twice now.
Surely some of you will figure it out someday

Why? It's much easier to blame everyone else

 

[DirtyDan17]

Dont try to change the subject.
Gop owns abortion. They did zip about it twice now.
Surely some of you will figure it out someday

Even if a bill is submitted it has to have enough votes to pass. We cant change how representatives from other states vote on abortion bills.

Saying it's "on us" is ludicrous, we're not the ones proposing abortion up until the due date, nor are we the ones supporting those people with our votes.

You vote Democrat, you support the killing of babies. Period.

You can attempt to deflect that and paint it some other way, but the reality is, even if we aren't getting what we absolutely want, we're not actively engaging in the murder of the unborn like libs are.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Even if a bill is submitted it has to have enough votes to pass. We cant change how representatives from other states vote on abortion bills.

Saying it's "on us" is ludicrous, we're not the ones proposing abortion up until the due date, nor are we the ones supporting those people with our votes.

You vote Democrat, you support the killing of babies. Period.

You can attempt to deflect that and paint it some other way, but the reality is, even if we aren't getting what we absolutely want, we're not actively engaging in the murder of the unborn like libs are.

I dont vote demo ...whoever this double handle belongs to.
Gop should put it up for vote. To do otherwise sends the message its just a plea to emotion(read: not logic) for their low info voters

 

[DirtyDan17]

I dont vote demo ...whoever this double handle belongs to.
Gop should put it up for vote. To do otherwise sends the message its just a plea to emotion(read: not logic) for their low info voters

If you know you cant get the votes or so much pork is added to you proposed bill that it isn't what you intended to begin with, what's the point?

Furthermore, abortion law and/or repeal of Roe v. Wade will happen at the state level. Pointing to Republicans in the federal government and saying "see they're the same as the dems" is a tu quoque red herring. Nothing more, nothing less.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/state-legislatures-see-flurry-of-activity-on-abortion-bills

To reiterate, voting Democrat is just a vote for killing babies and change will come at the state, not federal level.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I am completely Pro-Choice,,,a woman has the undeniable right to chose if she wants to have sex or not.

After she decides to have sex she has no right to kill another human

So if she said no such in the case of rape or incest you have no issues with that correct.

 

[millerbleach]

Dont try to change the subject.
Gop owns abortion. They did zip about it twice now.
Surely some of you will figure it out someday

Boy, you got us there.
Dems promote and advance abortion at every turn. How many Pubs voted for this NY situation?
Every politician who fights against abortion is a Pub. It wouldn't make great sense to vote for Dems if you oppose abortion as a legal activity. Could Pubs do more to fight abortion? I don't see how unless you actually think voting on it without the votes is doing something (only a fool would think that). Do all Pubs oppose abortion with a passion? No. Which state controlled by Pubs is advancing abortion? Which state controlled by Dems is restricting abortion?
You think you are being cute but you just show your lib leanings every time you post.

 

[millerbleach]

So if she said no such in the case of rape or incest you have no issues with that correct.

Are you OK with killing a baby that is the result of rape?

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Boy, you got us there.
Dems promote and advance abortion at every turn. How many Pubs voted for this NY situation?
Every politician who fights against abortion is a Pub. It wouldn't make great sense to vote for Dems if you oppose abortion as a legal activity. Could Pubs do more to fight abortion? I don't see how unless you actually think voting on it without the votes is doing something (only a fool would think that). Do all Pubs oppose abortion with a passion? No. Which state controlled by Pubs is advancing abortion? Which state controlled by Dems is restricting abortion?
You think you are being cute but you just show your lib leanings every time you post.

Pass the law making it illegal.
Sad that you same folks get suckered in every time.

 

[millerbleach]

Pass the law making it illegal.

So cute!
WHEN have the Pubs had enough seats to make abortion illegal? States that have the Pub votes have voted to greatly restrict abortion. There also is this court ruling most have heard of you could google and read up on. It's Roe vs. Wade if you need guidance.

 

[millerbleach]

Sad that you same folks get suckered in every time.

The only sucker on here is the guy who thinks if you oppose abortion voting for Dems is what is needed.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

The only sucker on here is the guy who thinks if you oppose abortion voting for Dems is what is needed.

Who said anything about dems?
Gop is nothing but flapping gums

Abortion and fiscal responsibility are the two obvious issues

 

[millerbleach]

Who said anything about dems?
Gop is nothing but flapping gums

Abortion and fiscal responsibility are the two obvious issues

Just like all libs, you avoid answering questions at all cost.

 

[DirtyDan17]

Pass the law making it illegal.
Sad that you same folks get suckered in every time.

I already answered this. You're so intellectually lazy.

 

[DirtyDan17]

Pass the law making it illegal.
Sad that you same folks get suckered in every time.

The reason they cant just repeal a Supreme Court decision is because they need a case. Judges, senators, or representatives can't just overturn a precedent because they feel like it. There must be an actual case that goes all the way up the chain. Most cases will be decided according to precedent, and you can only appeal by showing a procedural problem, an extenuating circumstance, or a precedent that wasn't considered or was applied inconsistently. You can't just say, "we didn't like the decision, and we are appealing." A lower court is bound by what has been decided before, and a case must originate there. Then an appeals court needs to find an issue, and only then does the Supreme Court get involved. (It is very very rare to skip the appeals process)

Stare decisis (aka Precedent.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/stare_decisis

Courts hate deciding "new" things. A court prefers to show that they are just ruling the way they always have. Changing things unsettles everybody, so it takes something really egregious, like Brown v. Board of Education overturning Plessy v. Furgeson only after it became obvious that separate was never equal.

If a justice votes to overturn, he is basically telling his successors, you can overrule me. That is highly undesirable. It negates the legacy you want to leave, and sows doubt about what the "law" actually is. Rule #1 on a court is this: be consistent. Follow precedent.

The key to all of this is the point I've made this entire time, voting Republican is based on the INTENT of the party platform. Given the opportunity, they would absolutely repeal RvW in principle. In practice, repealing a Supreme Court decision is easier said than done.

 

[millerbleach]

The reason they cant just repeal a Supreme Court decision is because they need a case. Judges, senators, or representatives can't just overturn a precedent because they feel like it. There must be an actual case that goes all the way up the chain. Most cases will be decided according to precedent, and you can only appeal by showing a procedural problem, an extenuating circumstance, or a precedent that wasn't considered or was applied inconsistently. You can't just say, "we didn't like the decision, and we are appealing." A lower court is bound by what has been decided before, and a case must originate there. Then an appeals court needs to find an issue, and only then does the Supreme Court get involved. (It is very very rare to skip the appeals process)

Stare decisis (aka Precedent.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/stare_decisis

Courts hate deciding "new" things. A court prefers to show that they are just ruling the way they always have. Changing things unsettles everybody, so it takes something really egregious, like Brown v. Board of Education overturning Plessy v. Furgeson only after it became obvious that separate was never equal.

If a justice votes to overturn, he is basically telling his successors, you can overrule me. That is highly undesirable. It negates the legacy you want to leave, and sows doubt about what the "law" actually is. Rule #1 on a court is this: be consistent. Follow precedent.

The key to all of this is the point I've made this entire time, voting Republican is based on the INTENT of the party platform. Given the opportunity, they would absolutely repeal RvW in principle. In practice, repealing a Supreme Court decision is easier said than done.

Congress can make any law they want even if it goes against precedent. It would then go to the courts on the grounds it isn't constitutional. It would likely get struck down by the lower courts on grounds of precedent. The Supreme Court would then decide if they wanted to rule on it or let the lower court ruling be final.
The problem is and always has been there aren't and never have been enough Republican/Conservative/Pro life legislators to pass said law. This is true even if EVERY Pub voted for said law. For Veer to sneer that Pubs don't act is just not genuine because it hasn't been possible without votes from the real party of aborters.

 

[DirtyDan17]

Congress can make any law they want even if it goes against precedent. It would then go to the courts on the grounds it isn't constitutional. It would likely get struck down by the lower courts on grounds of precedent. The Supreme Court would then decide if they wanted to rule on it or let the lower court ruling be final.
The problem is and always has been there aren't and never have been enough Republican/Conservative/Pro life legislators to pass said law. This is true even if EVERY Pub voted for said law. For Veer to sneer that Pubs don't act is just not genuine because it hasn't been possible without votes from the real party of aborters.

Which is essentially exactly what I said.