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Japan has school 6 days a week and kick our teeth in academically...

But hey at least we can save some money...
 
But did you look at the test scores? Most of the school who have done it show improved test scores? Not saying it is good or bad, I don't know but look at the improvements?
 
Gubba Bump Shrimp said:
Japan has school 6 days a week and kick our teeth in academically...

But hey at least we can save some money...
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Comparing our scores to other schooling systems is pretty hard to do. None of our tests are standardized across the board. The only comparison we have to Japan are college students. Which is a bit naive to use as lateral data when they send the best of their best over to the US to go to college.
 
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Kenny56 said:
Comparing our scores to other schooling systems is pretty hard to do. None of our tests are standardized across the board. The only comparison we have to Japan are college students. Which is a bit naive to use as lateral data when they send the best of their best over to the US to go to college.
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I went to school with a lot of Asian students. They weren't the best from where ever they were. Those kids go to Stanford, cal, the Ivy League, etc. These kids weren't exceptionally smart or anything, but they were much better prepared. I mean, my high school didn't even offer calculus when I graduated in 09. Those kids thought that was unheard of.
 
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Chinese students advantage in mathematics starts with their language using fewer syllables for numbers allowing their children to master basic arithmetic at an early age. There is more to life than math. We are still more creative than those people. And many overseas countries don't test all of their students. So it's apples and oranges.
 
Neutron Monster said:
I would be stunned if a district in stl didn't offer calculus.
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Agreed. I would imagine most do. I know Ste. Genevieve does and has for aslong as I have been alive.

But as mentioned above, calculus isn't the deciding factor of a child's success.
 
Kenny56 said:
Agreed. I would imagine most do. I know Ste. Genevieve does and has for aslong as I have been alive.

But as mentioned above, calculus isn't the deciding factor of a child's success.
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I know it wasn't for me. I stayed away from it like the plague.
 
I graduated in the 80's from the school district next to were wcowherd graduated from and we offered calculus. But knowing that school district he graduated from not surprised. Money is tight in smaller school districts and to be able to offer other classes cost money.

Just a question if they do vouchers will you be able to live in one public school district but use your voucher to attend another one? I must say living in a rural area were 4 school districts are within 6 miles of each other the boundaries seem so arbitrary. In Monett you can live less than two miles from the elementary school but have to attend Pierce City which is over 12 mile away because the district boundary was determined up 5 or 6 decades ago by some family who decided where they wanted to go to school or just vast open farm land.
 
bullitpdq68 said:
I graduated in the 80's from the school district next to were wcowherd graduated from and we offered calculus. But knowing that school district he graduated from not surprised. Money is tight in smaller school districts and to be able to offer other classes cost money.

Just a question if they do vouchers will you be able to live in one public school district but use your voucher to attend another one? I must say living in a rural area were 4 school districts are within 6 miles of each other the boundaries seem so arbitrary. In Monett you can live less than two miles from the elementary school but have to attend Pierce City which is over 12 mile away because the district boundary was determined up 5 or 6 decades ago by some family who decided where they wanted to go to school or just vast open farm land.
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I would think this would depend upon how the law is written
 
bullitpdq68 said:
I graduated in the 80's from the school district next to were wcowherd graduated from and we offered calculus. But knowing that school district he graduated from not surprised. Money is tight in smaller school districts and to be able to offer other classes cost money.

Just a question if they do vouchers will you be able to live in one public school district but use your voucher to attend another one? I must say living in a rural area were 4 school districts are within 6 miles of each other the boundaries seem so arbitrary. In Monett you can live less than two miles from the elementary school but have to attend Pierce City which is over 12 mile away because the district boundary was determined up 5 or 6 decades ago by some family who decided where they wanted to go to school or just vast open farm land.
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In a situation like that it would make more sense to just shut down the two smallest schools and have 2 bigger schools instead of 4 schools. A 2 way split of resources instead of 4 may give kids in the area access to things like calculus, physics, etc.
 
Gubba Bump Shrimp said:
In a situation like that it would make more sense to just shut down the two smallest schools and have 2 bigger schools instead of 4 schools. A 2 way split of resources instead of 4 may give kids in the area access to things like calculus, physics, etc.
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Oh it would but sometimes in a small town the school is all that town has. And then sometimes it makes more since to go to a smaller school. Funny again how districts were drawn, you have in SWMO Rocky Comfort attending Mac County which is over 25 miles away, and over 30 minutes on some curvy roads. But they are less than 3.5 miles from Wheaton and only a 6 minute drive. Long time to be on a bus when you can see the other school from your house. Makes no since but you just cannot go to the school and say hey this is crazy let's fix this, they say they are in it for the kids but cases like this really don't make them look good.
Not saying Vouchers are good but if you could use them to fix some of these issues it would be great, in this rural area you don't have alot of options for private school but because it takes a huge vote to fix mucked up school boundaries it would be nice to have that option.
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Oh it would but sometimes in a small town the school is all that town has. And then sometimes it makes more since to go to a smaller school. Funny again how districts were drawn, you have in SWMO Rocky Comfort attending Mac County which is over 25 miles away, and over 30 minutes on some curvy roads. But they are less than 3.5 miles from Wheaton and only a 6 minute drive. Long time to be on a bus when you can see the other school from your house. Makes no since but you just cannot go to the school and say hey this is crazy let's fix this, they say they are in it for the kids but cases like this really don't make them look good.
Not saying Vouchers are good but if you could use them to fix some of these issues it would be great, in this rural area you don't have alot of options for private school but because it takes a huge vote to fix mucked up school boundaries it would be nice to have that option.
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There are a couple of other things you have to consider

- Are the tax rates the same?
- What are the capacities of these schools? Do the closer schools always have the capability to take all the kids?

What you are suggesting is something you could address by changing boundaries and nothing else
 
wcowherd said:
I graduated from a small SWMO high school.
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I graduated in 1978 at Miller, a place Cowherd has belittled repeatedly, 8 miles north of Cowherds esteemed high school, and calculus was offered then.
My sons tiny private school 15 miles from there offers calculus also. My sons graduating class was 5, largest graduating class to date.
 
millerbleach said:
I graduated in 1978 at Miller, a place Cowherd has belittled repeatedly, 8 miles north of Cowherds esteemed high school, and calculus was offered then.
My sons tiny private school 15 miles from there offers calculus also. My sons graduating class was 5, largest graduating class to date.
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A graduating class of 5, that's not a school it's a high rent day care.
 
millerbleach said:
I graduated in 1978 at Miller, a place Cowherd has belittled repeatedly, 8 miles north of Cowherds esteemed high school, and calculus was offered then.
My sons tiny private school 15 miles from there offers calculus also. My sons graduating class was 5, largest graduating class to date.
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I'm sorry you're sensitive.
 
bullitpdq68 said:
I think the savings started it but you are hearing alot of districts that have gone to 4 days citing teacher retention as a plus as teachers are opting to stay Everton kept all teachers. And then test scores going up. Is this going to grow even more? Aurora going to it to improve teacher retention.

http://www.monett-times.com/story/2383376.html

http://www.joplinglobe.com/news/upd...cle_5ff49018-dea5-11e6-b923-d7ba2d3de2b1.html
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Are teachers still required to come in on the 5th day and work??

Surely they don't cut the teachers required time in class doing their job by 20% and pay them the same amount of money
 
wcfanfourever said:
Are teachers still required to come in on the 5th day and work??

Surely they don't cut the teachers required time in class doing their job by 20% and pay them the same amount of money
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Don't they go longer hours when they only go 4 days? That's the way it has been done in other places I've heard of. I'm guessing you have NO idea how many extra hours teachers already put in when working 5 days a week. They have other things they are required to do besides teach kids 7 hours a day that do NOT get extra pay for. I know many that work in their class rooms on Saturday and/or Sunday doing things they don't have time to do during regular school hours.
 
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Don't they go longer hours when they only go 4 days? That's the way it has been done in other places I've heard of. I'm guessing you have NO idea how many extra hours teachers already put in when working 5 days a week. They have other things they are required to do besides teach kids 7 hours a day that do NOT get extra pay for. I know many that work in their class rooms on Saturday and/or Sunday doing things they don't have time to do during regular school hours.
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I wouldn't have a problem if teachers came in on the 5th day,,,,they could do prep work and grade papers and stuff and not have to take work home at night.
 
wcfanfourever said:
Are teachers still required to come in on the 5th day and work??

Surely they don't cut the teachers required time in class doing their job by 20% and pay them the same amount of money
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Again they are teaching the same amount of hours per year as say Webb so the teachers are working the same amount of hours as teachers working the 5 days a week just in 4 days. However I believe they are required in PC to come in on one of those days off per month.
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Again they are teaching the same amount of hours per year as say Webb so the teachers are working the same amount of hours as teachers working the 5 days a week just in 4 days. However I believe they are required in PC to come in on one of those days off per month.
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Sounds about right. Increase the work load. It would be like Jack Henry working a 40 hr work week in 4 days and once a month you had to still come in on Friday free gratis.
 
Dr.Jekyll said:
Sounds about right. Increase the work load. It would be like Jack Henry working a 40 hr work week in 4 days and once a month you had to still come in on Friday free gratis.
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Yeah I have never broken down the hours and don't know how schools count it? But I know even in Monett once a month the teachers work on Friday and the kids don't come in or come in half days, and some how that counts towards teaching? It has been awhile but I read that the 4 days while the hours would be meet the guidelines, the overall hours in the classroom would go down so possible teacher pay would too or could be made up I don't know. But again not an expert on it. That is why I asked the question.
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Yeah I have never broken down the hours and don't know how schools count it? But I know even in Monett once a month the teachers work on Friday and the kids don't come in or come in half days, and some how that counts towards teaching? It has been awhile but I read that the 4 days while the hours would be meet the guidelines, the overall hours in the classroom would go down so possible teacher pay would too or could be made up I don't know. But again not an expert on it. That is why I asked the question.
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A more comparable way would be the kids would only come in for a half day on Thursday and the teachers would spend the rest of the day for this work.
 
Dr.Jekyll said:
A more comparable way would be the kids would only come in for a half day on Thursday and the teachers would spend the rest of the day for this work.
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But would the hours work out? I don't know that is why I am asking don't totally understand the hours versus the days thing yet.
 
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