22 Million unemployed... 40k dead. What's worse?

[you_dont_know_me]

Hmm, which number are you going to go with?

How many deaths will result from not being able to pay for somewhere to live and basic bills?

How many of Americans will be up to the neck in debt coming out of this?

I don't want to choose between either one, but I can do math.

Don't give me "I don't value life" if you don't think abortion is murder.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Unemployment is temporary. Is the other one?

True in principle and on first glance. I'll grant you that. However,

Tell me, what is 22 million (and rising much faster than deaths) will have on those who survive? Abuse, suicide, other deaths...we haven't even seen it yet.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Man, January 8th last post...and now you're back...wow!

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

The point is it is there has never been nor will there ever be a time where there aren’t some people getting sick and dying from something. I don’t know if it will be May 1 or May 15 or shortly after but the country will get back to work, I hope I don’t get it or someone near to me but the country isn’t going to wait until there are almost zero cases.before it gets back to work. Not everyone that dies of a flu like illness will be because the company opened back up even though some will try to make that case.

People are going to be going to bars, restaurants, concerts, football games, etc this fall. The world didn’t end in 1917-1918 and it was a lot worse than this. There is no such thing as no risk. As soon as most people think the risk is down to an acceptable level they will go back out.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

We can make this all immaterial if President Trump will use his powers to force creation of millions of tests so states can triple their testing and open up the counties that are ready.

Which tests? Antibody tests or just random tests to see if someone has WuFlu19 at the given moment.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

All of the above. Who has it. Who had it. Knowledge leads to the best decisions.

I don’t need to be tested to WuFlu19. I’m confident I’m not sick right now. I would be interested in being tested for antibodies in case I’ve had it and never had symptoms. People are working around the clock on getting those tests done.

 

[Veerman_12]

In a survey of 2602 family physicians released yesterday, one third have no ability to test for Covid-19. And for most even if they can get the tests it still takes days to get the results.

They need an all out Manhattan project to get the quick test results testing ready in mass numbers.

Hey another one of Duck's alter egos is back. Thought you "quit" a few months ago too?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

80x more cases than reported. Mortality rate .2 percent or lower.
Every death that possibly could be covid they say is. Every illness they claim the symptoms they assume it is....
Study shows sunlight, heat, and humidity kill it off.

Are cases going to keep going up? Of course! Are deaths, sadly, yes.

Do we need to get back to being a society, yes.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

You are repeating numbers over and over that someone said “probably” was true based on feeling. You are Trumps dream idiot.

It has been hot in most of Florida since February. Is the virus dead down there?
You repeat nonsense. Trump loves the uneducated.

I was quoting a Newsweek article.

You don’t want those figures to be true.

 

[Stop n Go]

Do you know the difference between results of a scientific study and a doctors “opinion”?
Newsweek does a nice job. I hope every single person gets better and no one ever dies from this scourge again. But if people do croak, I hope it’s only Trump supporters.

Funny you mention that because you posted on your other account an opinion piece in a tweet. I specifically called you out for it and crickets.

Same ole, Mitchyyy.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

You might want to read up on what happened in Philly during that epidemic and why.

Sure why don’t you read about Pericles in Athens during the Peloponessian War and how that worked out for him too.

I’m not advocating flu parades...

 

[Sentrycash]

Sure why don’t you read about Pericles in Athens during the Peloponessian War and how that worked out for him too.

I’m not advocating flu parades...

I prefer Typhoid Mary.

 

[vbsideout]

I thin we can all agree that this virus really sucks and Trump had nothing to do with it, but his response is what counts and for the most part one can not tell from one day to the next what he is going to do about it, because it changes daily. The only thing he has been consistent with is that it is somebody else's fault.

 

[Neutron Monster]

When you frame a question as A or B when the answer isn't simply a choice between A and B, all of your reasoning is worthless.

Notably:

- Job losses would be huge even without governmental action, because people stay home when there is blood in the streets

- Deaths would be higher absent government and social action

 

[you_dont_know_me]

When you frame a question as A or B when the answer isn't simply a choice between A and B, all of your reasoning is worthless.

Notably:

- Job losses would be huge even without governmental action, because people stay home when there is blood in the streets

- Deaths would be higher absent government and social action

Deaths would be higher absent action now...but in the long run? not sure. and how much have we prolonged the problem by doing this? Not sure either.

I would agree, it doesn't have to be A or B...but when you lock everyone down instead of allowing for freedom to choose... it's a little hard to say it's either.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Deaths would be higher absent action now...but in the long run? not sure. and how much have we prolonged the problem by doing this? Not sure either.

Death rate will be lower if we use this time to develop treatments that actually help, and it will help avoid overburdening the health system. Not clear you can magically prevent all deaths. But, if you find some drugs that are partially effective, that will help. We're also learning more about how the disease affects people that could drive treatment and testing strategies, such as understanding clotting risks, transmission rates, etc.

I would agree, it doesn't have to be A or B...but when you lock everyone down instead of allowing for freedom to choose... it's a little hard to say it's either.

The point of health authorities is that freedom to choose isn't a viable option that results in reasonable outcomes until (a) you understand the scale of the problem, (b) you address the initial outbreak down to a low enough level, and (c) you have mechanisms in place to deal with outbreaks.

We've had far too much attention to the initial ~5 weeks of lockdown and the next 2 or 3 that we're going to have of shutdown - the initial medical supplies, stimulus, etc. What we really need to focus on more is how we get reopen in a way that is sustainable. The Feds have not given us the capabilities we need for this to be sustainable. That's very concerning.

The US needs to be able to test at a much, much higher rate per day, with much faster results, and with much faster communication to potentially affected individuals. The fact that our testing capability has basically not improved for the entire month of April is insane.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Death rate will be lower if we use this time to develop treatments that actually help, and it will help avoid overburdening the health system. Not clear you can magically prevent all deaths. But, if you find some drugs that are partially effective, that will help. We're also learning more about how the disease affects people that could drive treatment and testing strategies, such as understanding clotting risks, transmission rates, etc.


The point of health authorities is that freedom to choose isn't a viable option that results in reasonable outcomes until (a) you understand the scale of the problem, (b) you address the initial outbreak down to a low enough level, and (c) you have mechanisms in place to deal with outbreaks.

We've had far too much attention to the initial ~5 weeks of lockdown and the next 2 or 3 that we're going to have of shutdown - the initial medical supplies, stimulus, etc. What we really need to focus on more is how we get reopen in a way that is sustainable. The Feds have not given us the capabilities we need for this to be sustainable. That's very concerning.

The US needs to be able to test at a much, much higher rate per day, with much faster results, and with much faster communication to potentially affected individuals. The fact that our testing capability has basically not improved for the entire month of April is insane.

I have always been a proponent of testing.