100-13...Come on St. Clair

[Grip it and Rip it]

Hope this is a typo on stltoday.com

St. Clair is a very talented team with a good coach, but come on have some class. It's 57-9 at half (not problem with that) and it looks like they continued to run up the score in the second half, even with a running clock in the 4th.

Before everyone starts saying it's Wright City's job to stop them, obviously they were no match and there was no way possible to stop them. Also, there's no "getting better" when a team gets beaten by 87. Winning team's (coach) job to recognize the situation and show mercy. Clear the bench, not transition baskets, work 1/2 offense until you get a lay-up, pack it in the paint on defense. When you're still scoring 20 points with a running clock in the 4th quarter it comes across as rubbing it in.

Officials could have also recognized what St. Clair must have been doing and helped out Wright City. Call every foul and take your time reporting it, take your time setting up any free-throw situation, call every possible turnover and take your time handing the ball in.

I'm all for playing hard and winning, but IMO it's also the job of the coaches to teach humilty and mercy. Those are also positive character traits that should be taught.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

There are things we don't know about this game...

On the side of the "offending" team...what if Wright City was taking short possessions and chucking up shots?

what if the bench was in the game the entire fourth quarter?

If I was coaching, I would still want my players to use my defensive principles and if that was denial defense in the half court, I would still want my younger players to do that.

Potential arguments against st. clair: If they were pressing in the second half, shame. If they didn't clear their bench, shame.

 

[3389]

There are things we don't know about this game...

On the side of the "offending" team...what if Wright City was taking short possessions and chucking up shots?

what if the bench was in the game the entire fourth quarter?

If I was coaching, I would still want my players to use my defensive principles and if that was denial defense in the half court, I would still want my younger players to do that.

Potential arguments against st. clair: If they were pressing in the second half, shame. If they didn't clear their bench, shame.

This is the truth. A good friend was coaching in a game one time where he tried to milk clock (without showing the other team up) and sat in a packed-in 2-3 zone with all of his bench players for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters. But the other team just wouldn't cooperate. They were throwing up shots on no passes or just 1 pass, they were going for steals, etc. I can't remember if it got to 100...I think so, but it was despite my friend doing everything he could to keep the score down (outside of deliberately throwing the ball away).

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I've attended a game where a team scored over 110 points (gave up around 40) The losing team had 1 pass possessions often, jacked shots from all over the gym. The losers sat in a 2-3 zone, but gave up layups after a couple of passes on defense.

On the winning side, the starters and top couple of subs didn't play one minute in the second half. I don't believe the winning team ever went zone, but the substitutes needed to work on man to man defense and work offense too. There wasn't a press ever deployed in the game.

Did the coach catch flak for that? take a guess.

 

[3389]

In my friend's case, it was a conference game. When it was time to play the return game, the other team forfeited with the explanation that they couldn't guaranteed the safety of my friends team. Ridiculous.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

In my friend's case, it was a conference game. When it was time to play the return game, the other team forfeited with the explanation that they couldn't guaranteed the safety of my friends team. Ridiculous.

that's pretty ridiculous. but if they want to forfeit, that's on them.

 

[Aboveitall]

Here we go again... you started this last year about Oran. Stated its the coaches job to demonstrate class, mercy, grace, etc. the losing team “cant” get better? Yes they can, with every posession, they can adjust and learn from the experience. Im guessing you are a huge sore loser dad to keep criticizing these teams and coaches for being good. And of course stjamesdad likes your post because they arent beating people by 50 a game anymore even though their schedule isnt any tougher than its ever been. The winning team has the right to play the entire game as they see fit. Im willing to bet the winning coach emptied his bench. I have a sugestion for dads like you. Raise your kids with the attitude that sports is a priviledge, not a right. Work hard and accept that other teams are working hard as well. You WILL lose games. Its not the other teams job or responsibility to make you feel good about your efforts or your self. If you want to compete with stronger teams, spend more time on it. Period. I have seen many games like this. The players never seem heartbroken afterwards- they knew what was coming. Its parents who throw a fit about their “ poor kids getting beaten so bad”. How do programs get so bad? It doesnt happen in a blink of an eye, the coaches know whats coming up and its their job to develop players.... maybe that team needs a new coach or an administation that carss about the girls program. Lots of people to hold responsible but the winning team is not one.

 

[Grip it and Rip it]

I think you need to go back and re-read the orginal post. I never critized St. Clair for being good. Actually, my first statement says that St. Clair is a very talented team and that they have a good coach. Also, I never said anything about Wright City and their feelings. I seriously doubt you have seen many 87 point defict games in your lifetime. It doesn't happend because most coaches recognize that type of situation and call off the dogs way before it gets to that point. If you honestly think a loss like that doesn't affect the players at all, you're kidding yourself and probably have never coached. The fact that you resort to name calling to debate an argument proves you don't understand the concept of humility in the first place. If you think having a differnent coach erases an 87 point deficit, you're fooling yourself. You probably have never been on the wrong end of that type of blowout and don't truly understand how helpless a team is against that type of opponent (ask anyone in the same football conference with Valle, I'm sure they'd be happy to explain the situation). My point will always be this: win with integrity and humility; lose with dignity and class. IMO hammering a team by 87 points doesn't show humility and class. It shows a wasted opportunity at true character development on the part of St. Clair.

 

[Aboveitall]

I did re read it and you told them to “show some class”. So, no, you didnt criticize them for being good, you just criticized them period. Ill address your opinions and slow it down for you (with a running clock).... I ,in fact, have seen MANY games decided by that many points (a couple THIS season). “Most” coaches do call off the dogs but when a team is THAT bad, the kids can only do so much pretending to be horrible enough to suddenly not try to score and “show humility”. I have coached, for many years at several levels and Im not fooling myself because I speak from experience. Again, sports is a priviledge and athletes compete with the understanding that this could happen. If they cant accept that, they should get out of sports. It seems like you just dont get that. I never called you a name, I assumed you are a sore loser dad because Ive heard your complaint a thousand times and never from a player. Get this through your opinionated head- athletes dont want pity or for the opponent to suddenly lay down( what YOU call humility). They want to compete and finish giving their all. If thats not their attitude, they have the wrong coach and parents that are clueless. Since you like to throw “ifs” around, Ill inform you that IF you were ever an athlete, you would know this. But, apparently, you are a sports martyr speaking for the poor losing team. They dont want your help.....and yes, you can trust me.

 

[Grip it and Rip it]

Not a sports martyr and definitely not a sore loser dad. Never complained that Wright City lost. Won't complain about any team losing. I'm simply using this platform as it is intended to debate athletic issues. My opinion will always be that running up the score THAT badly is unnecessary and could be avoided. When you continue to run up the score the way the stats present themselves, you are simply beating a dead horse. I don't find value in that. I don't find any type of character building in that. And that was, and will always be my point. We can agree to disagree on the issue, but that's my opinion. That's the beauty of freedom of speech. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I'll leave you with this last thought:

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.