sw5890 said:

Except they are further away from the center, or what was the center, because you're moving the goal post. Only by adding Lebanon and Waynesville is Springfield the 'center' of the conference. It was not the center of the conference before. Lebanon and especially Waynesville were well outside of the geography of the COC at the time they were added.

Waynesville only fits from the perspective of someone in Springfield because for them at least, it's not any further than places they were already going.

Consider this - the COC adds Pryor, OK and Claremore, OK. If that happened I'm pretty confident the good people in Nixa would be up in arms. They would say those schools don't fit, they are too far away and one of them isn't even good competition. Then Joplin could say sure they fit, they are the same distance from the center of the conference (us), just in a direction that is unfortunate to you.

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Veer2Eternity said:

You seem to forget trump only started taking questions from his press after Harris got in the race.

You're better than this

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shovel_option said:

I know the AP doesn't put out any preseason rankings, as no one knows the classes before the day of the first games (that's still crazy to me btw), but I figured we could attempt something. We have a pretty good understanding of who will be in each class besides maybe the borderline teams.

Class 1:
Marionville
Adrian (if they are Class 1)
No clue otherwise. I do believe Portageville will move up.

Class 2:
1. Lamar
2 - 8. Valle Catholic, Fair Grove, Lafayette County, Adrian, Bowling Green, Father Tolton, South Shelby in some order I'm guessing

Class 3:
1. Blair Oaks
2. Seneca
Not too sure after this. Pius moves up, PHC lost almost entire skill group and good crew of linemen. Any insights?

Class 4
1. Kearney
2. Lutheran North
3. Smithville (just because)
4 - 10. Not sure...Hillsboro or Festus this season? Who else?

Class 5
1. Cardinal Ritter
2. A mess

Class 6
1. Liberty North
2. DeSmet
3. CBC
4. Lee's Summit North
5. Rockhurst
6 - 10. Nixa, Howell, Rock Bridge, a whole bunch of KC schools, a whole bunch of STL schools. Great quality top 15 or so.

Help me out here!

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Veer2Eternity said:

what is the recruiting radius in Illannoy?

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Arcola said:

I genuinely want to hear more from the V.P. And I don’t mean some softball lobbing type interview. Why is she dodging the press?
When she is elected can we expect this for four more years?

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cardsfan200306 said:

80 is still doable.

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HHSX2 said:

Helias is bringing back the majority of it team from last year. They will be in the mix in Class 5 or 4 where ever they end up.

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panther72 said:

1st is I thought I would hear from the Doc guys about Northwest playing Minnesota Sate on Thursday.
2nd listening to 810 WHB in KC from Tim Grunhard about a player was cut years ago because the player's wife was such a pain in the butt. Great stuff in what plays into things. Would not say who the player was (duh), but they did divorce the next year.

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Eagles_Ball said:

Yeah, I think their options were pretty limited. They didn't want to go the Rolla route (begging to get in Four Rivers), plus they're too big and too far for that anyway. I THINK they had the option of going the Camdenton route (up north with Columbia/Jeff/Sedalia), but they probably viewed that as worse. Here's the odd thing, they sorta/kinda fit. They just are really bad at football. Size wise they're a fit. Demographically they're a fit. As much as the west COC schools don't like it, the location is pretty much a fit too. They're no further away from the center of the conference than the west schools, just so happen to be on the other side. I'm not sure what the long term plan for Leb/Waynesville/Camdenton is, but I bet it's not where they are this season. I'm not sure any of them will be happy with their new conference.

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Expect2Win said:

Since 3R isn't able to respond.
Why aren't people complaining more about this NASA public-private partnership with Boeing/Elon and the rest?
It seems like our space program was a lot further ahead back in 1969 than today.

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sw5890 said:

I've talked to a number of people in CJ and get answers all across the board. Those with high school kids seem to be willing to try anything to get out of the COC even if it means more travel. These are the same people who were excited about the COC until suddenly they weren't. The people who seem to hate it the most are the ones with jr high kids. At least in the new COC the jr high travel is just more springfield, not the really distant new schools.

I give the current arrangement 2 years before at least something changes.

It seems to me that football only conferences would solve a lot of problems and save a crap-ton of travel for a hell of a lot of people. I know it's more work for a few admins but it seems like it would be a win for everyone else.

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thetophat2021 said:

Carthage #2 in C5 followed by Platte County. After that yes a jumble but Fort and Webb have to be in there somewhere.

Still want to see Rock deep into their demanding schedule to make any judgement.

Assuming the numbers say C4 Parkway North should be ranked without a doubt.

Other classes look pretty spot on unless MSHSAA changes the classification breaks. Adrian is borderline C1-2 will contend in the latter be the favorite in the former.

C3-4 watch the very deep MRVC West assuming they don't cancel each other out. Maxwell has been back at HVille for a bit now I'd watch them for sure.

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shovel_option said:

Circling back here:
East (KC) no longer has a District icon on their Football Schedule page. So I do believe they're out for districts.
MMA out, DuBourg out as well (officially).

Also, very confident MICDS will be class 5. At 480 enrollment (last year's number) they'd be safely inside of Class 3 and then bump up to Class 5. Would take a pretty healthy increase in enrollment to get them to Class 6.

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thetophat2021 said:

Gosh so far all the top matchups are down in Miami. The interstate one between Our Lady of Good Counsel (MD) and Miami Christopher Columbus is probably the best game I can find but that shows as 80 miles away from Palm Beach.

Closer in could watch St. Thomas Aquinas or Chaminade Madonna problem is those both look like bad blowouts.

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bullitpdq68 said:

I don't know how close you are to CJ? But it would be interesting the new conference is not a great fit its a fit if you bang it with a hammer, but who knows.
I just repeat what I hear from family that live there, and many are giving it a chance, many are hoping it does not last.

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AC100 said:

I don't ever see CJ reapplying. Outside of football and wrestling the league isn't that competitive. Of course football is the most important sport by a thousand miles but still.

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STL Crusader said:

That'll be a fun one. I got Loyola winning. Back-to-back Class 8 championships says a lot.

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bullitpdq68 said:

I would ponder to guess that while the current Sup and AD are still CJ, the Big 8 will probable not let them back in. Those two both made sure to insult every Big 8 school they could on the way out and talk about how their demographics and facilities don't fit with the conference. I guess they never thought about what would happen if the the COC would never work out and they would have to cross that bridge again? But there is always hope Nevada did the same thing and later once some changes were made they were able to reapply and get in.

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BoosterBosko said:

Maybe you can get "stuck" out here in PA! I'll treat ya to an Ampipe game!

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shovel_option said:

I know the AP doesn't put out any preseason rankings, as no one knows the classes before the day of the first games (that's still crazy to me btw), but I figured we could attempt something. We have a pretty good understanding of who will be in each class besides maybe the borderline teams.

Class 1:
Marionville
Adrian (if they are Class 1)
No clue otherwise. I do believe Portageville will move up.

Class 2:
1. Lamar
2 - 8. Valle Catholic, Fair Grove, Lafayette County, Adrian, Bowling Green, Father Tolton, South Shelby in some order I'm guessing

Class 3:
1. Blair Oaks
2. Seneca
Not too sure after this. Pius moves up, PHC lost almost entire skill group and good crew of linemen. Any insights?

Class 4
1. Kearney
2. Lutheran North
3. Smithville (just because)
4 - 10. Not sure...Hillsboro or Festus this season? Who else?

Class 5
1. Cardinal Ritter
2. A mess

Class 6
1. Liberty North
2. DeSmet
3. CBC
4. Lee's Summit North
5. Rockhurst
6 - 10. Nixa, Howell, Rock Bridge, a whole bunch of KC schools, a whole bunch of STL schools. Great quality top 15 or so.

Help me out here!

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